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re: 2022-23 Lakers Thread
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
I'm always amazed at how cocksure not only Lakers fans are, but also their bloggers and local media. Check out this doozy from today:
They then propose this trade:
Lakers get:
Pat Bev
Jazz get:
THT
Mason Jones
2nd-round pick
This is verifiably insane. THT has significantly negative trade value -- he's not some in-demand prospect who has everyone salivating at his potential. In reality, the Lakers would probably need to attach a 2nd to get anyone to take THT for a neutral player.
And Pat Bev is still an impact player. He's still good. There's just no way that the Jazz would dump him for that, and other teams would unquestionably offer more.
quote:
According to a report from Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer, the Lakers have shown interest in Patrick Beverley, who could be traded again after being traded to Utah in the Rudy Gobert trade.
They then propose this trade:
Lakers get:
Pat Bev
Jazz get:
THT
Mason Jones
2nd-round pick
quote:
This might not seem like enough for Beverley if you are a Jazz fan but for one year of a 34-year-old point guard, the potential of THT and Jones (who is in the trade solely to make it work financially) is worth it. Add in the second-round pick and it is absolutely fair value for a player that is only in Utah because the Jazz needed to take back salary.
This is verifiably insane. THT has significantly negative trade value -- he's not some in-demand prospect who has everyone salivating at his potential. In reality, the Lakers would probably need to attach a 2nd to get anyone to take THT for a neutral player.
And Pat Bev is still an impact player. He's still good. There's just no way that the Jazz would dump him for that, and other teams would unquestionably offer more.
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 9:07 pm
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Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
Wuuuuut
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:26 pm to GOP_Tiger
Maybe they think Pat Beverly won’t try as hard coming off of his championship last year.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:20 pm to YungBuck
I wish there was a site that would let you bet on teams being in the lottery next year, because they'd probably give us decent odds on the Lakers and I'd bet big on it.
I think the Lakers we saw last year, will be similar to what we see this year. Maybe even worse.
I can't wait to be in the Wembanyama sweepstakes!
I think the Lakers we saw last year, will be similar to what we see this year. Maybe even worse.
I can't wait to be in the Wembanyama sweepstakes!
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Sounds like Westbrook could possibly be on his way to a buyout with the Spurs.
LINK
Westbrook's agent just quit, because he thinks that what's best for Westbrook is to try to be a good Laker and play out his contract, and Westbrook doesn't want to do that.
Hmm ...
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:43 pm to NOSHAU
quote:honesty is the best policy, always. Sounds like goatbrook doesn’t want to hear the truth
"Now, with a possibility of a fourth trade in four years, the marketplace is telling the Lakers they must add additional value with Russell in any trade scenario. And even then, such a trade may require Russell to immediately move on from the new team via buyout.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
Brings up an interesting question. If Westbrook was on the open market, what would a team pay him? With all the baggage that comes with it (knowing he won’t take a bench role, his play style, etc…) what is he really worth? Maybe the non-tax MLE? I don’t even know 
ETA: I wonder if the potential Donovan deal opens up extra options for the Lakers to dump Westbrook and get back depth pieces rather than just one player (like they would in the Kyrie trade).
Something like:
Knicks:
Mitchell
Jazz:
Westbrook (probably buyout)
Toppin
Quickley
6 picks from the Knicks
3 swaps from the Knicks
1 pick from the Lakers (maybe protected?)
Lakers:
Conley (or possibly Beverley)
Fournier
Reddish (Klutch connection)
ETA: I wonder if the potential Donovan deal opens up extra options for the Lakers to dump Westbrook and get back depth pieces rather than just one player (like they would in the Kyrie trade).
Something like:
Knicks:
Mitchell
Jazz:
Westbrook (probably buyout)
Toppin
Quickley
6 picks from the Knicks
3 swaps from the Knicks
1 pick from the Lakers (maybe protected?)
Lakers:
Conley (or possibly Beverley)
Fournier
Reddish (Klutch connection)
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:26 pm to Epic Cajun
Why would anyone want to bring in the Lakers on that?
They are sending out arguably the least useful player and one pick.
Conley, Fournier, and Reddish is a hell of a return for them considering their depth issues.
They are sending out arguably the least useful player and one pick.
Conley, Fournier, and Reddish is a hell of a return for them considering their depth issues.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:29 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:there’s not a player in the league worth that much draft capital. Certainly not Donovan Mitchell
6 picks from the Knicks 3 swaps from the Knicks
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:37 pm to teke184
The framework could be different, the point is still the same, a Mitchell trade opens up another potential place that Westbrook could be moved to. Currently, it’s really only San Antonio and Indy, if Mitchell is moved that opens the possibility of Utah too. In the hypothetical trade above the Knicks are getting off of Fournier (which they have already tried to do at the deadline), and Utah does not want to take Fournier back (they’d rather Rose because he only has 1 year left per Fischer). So Utah gets out of the deal with no long term salary, and an extra pick for moving Conley (who is on the market anyway). The Lakers are adding depth while taking players who aren’t overly useful for their current teams, while giving up pick compensation.
Works with Beverley too, the picks could be adjusted, that isn’t important.
I don’t think it’s an outlandish idea
Works with Beverley too, the picks could be adjusted, that isn’t important.
I don’t think it’s an outlandish idea
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:39 pm to cgrand
quote:
there’s not a player in the league worth that much draft capital
I'd argue guys like giannis, doncic, or Tatum are.
Mitchell is not an A star caliber guy. He's a B star
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:41 pm to cgrand
quote:
there’s not a player in the league worth that much draft capital. Certainly not Donovan Mitchell
3 are heavily protected that they got from the OKC trade during this years draft, when they traded the 11th pick. So essentially from their prospective it’s almost like giving up 4 picks.
They just traded Gobert for 5 picks, and they value Mitchell higher than Gobert.
ETA: just clarifying the pick situation, it’s not like it’s 6 unprotected picks, Mitchell definitely isn’t worth that, it’s 3 unprotected and 3 essentially lottery protected.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:01 am to Epic Cajun
Mitchell isn't worth 3 unprotected for a team that would still be fringe playoff. That team is a whole lot of players who need the ball in their hands without a true facilitator
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:37 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Currently, it’s really only San Antonio
Keldon Johnson just got extended (4m/80m). So he is no longer on the trade market. I believe the keep Poeltl as well and extend him.
Spurs still have some vets they need to move since they have too many players. McDermott and Richardson for Westbrook would work. Saves the Spurs almost 14M next year and gets them over the floor. They wouldn't have to cut or buy him out..
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:57 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
If Westbrook was on the open market, what would a team pay him? With all the baggage that comes with it (knowing he won’t take a bench role, his play style, etc…) what is he really worth? Maybe the non-tax MLE? I don’t even know
I honestly don't think that he would get a penny. Westbrook is a significantly negative player right now. The impact metrics say that he's worse than a replacement player from the G-League.
Carmelo had to spend a season out of the league to adjust his perspective before teams would take him back in a reserve role. I think that Westbrook would need to do the same.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:26 am to htran90
quote:
Mitchell isn't worth 3 unprotected for a team that would still be fringe playoff. That team is a whole lot of players who need the ball in their hands without a true facilitator
And Gobert isn’t worth 5 firsts but that’s what the Jazz got for him
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:10 am to Epic Cajun
Danny Ainge just crushed the NBA
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:29 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
And Gobert isn’t worth 5 firsts but that’s what the Jazz got for him
Unfortunately, there is only one Timberwolves, and they already blew their load prematurely.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:37 am to Jester
You don’t think the Knicks are desperate for a “star”?
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