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What would Metallica be like if Cliff Burton had never died?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:15 pm
Let's face it: Metallica was better with Burton.
"Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets" are two of the best metal albums ever put out, and "Kill 'Em All" ain't half bad for a debut.
Now, I'm not saying that Metallica post-Burton was bad, because I very much enjoy "...And Justice For All," "Metallica," "Load," and "Reload," however, I can't help but think that the Metallica we have come to know would be very different.
As I understand it, Burton was more of the creative leader of the group. I remember an interview where James talked about how Burton would regularly teach the rest of the guys music theory.
I think Metallica may not have been as commercially successful with Burton but would have perhaps been more artistically genuine.
What do you think?
Sub-topic: What would Metallica be like if Burton had never died and Dave Mustaine would have never gotten kicked out?
"Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets" are two of the best metal albums ever put out, and "Kill 'Em All" ain't half bad for a debut.
Now, I'm not saying that Metallica post-Burton was bad, because I very much enjoy "...And Justice For All," "Metallica," "Load," and "Reload," however, I can't help but think that the Metallica we have come to know would be very different.
As I understand it, Burton was more of the creative leader of the group. I remember an interview where James talked about how Burton would regularly teach the rest of the guys music theory.
I think Metallica may not have been as commercially successful with Burton but would have perhaps been more artistically genuine.
What do you think?
Sub-topic: What would Metallica be like if Burton had never died and Dave Mustaine would have never gotten kicked out?
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:27 pm to WikiTiger
They'd be exactly the same. AJFO would sound better though.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:29 pm to Brosef Stalin
For starters, you'd be able to hear the low end in And Justice for All. The mix on that album is a crime.
I do think they would've crossed over. However, I think he would've made the Load sessions even weirder and more ambitious. Which would have pissed fans off even more.
I do think they would've crossed over. However, I think he would've made the Load sessions even weirder and more ambitious. Which would have pissed fans off even more.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:43 pm to Baloo
Ride the Lightning
:dude: :dude: :dude:
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:46 pm to WikiTiger
Not trying to rip you, but I feel like I've seen this question about a thousand times.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:55 pm to WikiTiger
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if Cliff Burton had never died
A little more thrash.
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if Burton had never died and Dave Mustaine would have never gotten kicked out
A lot more thrash.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 6:03 pm to WikiTiger
And Justice for Jason
Someone redubbed the entire album and turned the bass up to where you can actually hear it. This guy did a pretty good job. Worth a listen if you've never heard it before.
Someone redubbed the entire album and turned the bass up to where you can actually hear it. This guy did a pretty good job. Worth a listen if you've never heard it before.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:03 pm to WikiTiger
I think the band would have been a little more progressive if Burton hadn't died.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:29 pm to NewIberiaHaircut
The Black Album would not exist, nor would have any of the other wretched crap they've put out in the years since he died. He'd have never put his name on that bullshite.
Their songwriting would not have taken an complete nosedive.
They would have still been insanely popular, but they would not have lost all credibility like they have.
Lars and James would not be able to lie and act like they were the only ones that really mattered as far the music goes. Cliff was the main force behind their sound, contrary to what they've said in the years since he died.
Their songwriting would not have taken an complete nosedive.
They would have still been insanely popular, but they would not have lost all credibility like they have.
Lars and James would not be able to lie and act like they were the only ones that really mattered as far the music goes. Cliff was the main force behind their sound, contrary to what they've said in the years since he died.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:51 pm to Sayre
Mustaine was such a drunk that other drunks wanted him gone? Burton I assume had some demons too. Mocking the Black album is stupid. It is awesome. Burton "not signing off on it" would equal them not growing as a band. You can't be all heavy all the time. You can, but you would be Slayer who are not nearly as relevant historically.
Had they not gotten rid of mustaine they may never have gotten started. Had cliff not died they may never have gotten the work done that they did. Passion and appreciation for what they had.
Had they not gotten rid of mustaine they may never have gotten started. Had cliff not died they may never have gotten the work done that they did. Passion and appreciation for what they had.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:00 pm to WikiTiger
NOOOO00000
Posted on 10/4/13 at 6:13 am to WikiTiger
What if Burton and Mustain would have still been in the band today? 
I might even like them if that was the case.
I might even like them if that was the case.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:49 am to LSU alum wannabe
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You can't be all heavy all the time.
Tell that to Slayer
Posted on 10/4/13 at 11:06 am to WikiTiger
Not sure if Newsted was handicapped creatively with his basslines or Cliff was just that much more creative, but Cliff's basslines were infinitely better than Jason's. Cliff also wrote the acoustic intros to Fight Fire with Fire and Battery, I believe. Cliff was into classical and like previously stated, understood music theory much better than James or anyone else.
Posted on 10/5/13 at 8:09 am to MaximumTiger
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Tell that to Slayer
But they were always niche' band. Never gonna be massive like Metallica. Cool but never massive. Don't get me wrong. its not like they were playing pool halls or anything but because they were SO heavy they weren't going to get Metallica big. Whether that is good or bad is another thread in itself.
Another band and another genre and time but, what if Andy Wood had never died? No Pearl Jam? Eddie Vedder is still a security guard, or that old dude in a cover bar-band? He dies and you have a guy move to Seattle with a bunch of motivated guys who are able to now hold it together for 20 plus years. Metallica is pushing up on 30.
Had Burton died in 1994 after 10 years together and huge success they would have probably went the way of Led Zepplin and said screw it and broke up. Mother Love Bone would not have had the legs to sustain 20+years? IMO.
Posted on 10/5/13 at 10:47 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Mustaine was such a drunk that other drunks wanted him gone?
It was more that Mustaine is a strong personality and kind of a dick (he would do shite like pour beer all over Ron McGovney's bass and punch James in the face when James kicked his dog). Dave wasn't going to lay down and roll over for Lars, and that combined with his prickly and sometimes violent personality was the real cause for his dismissal.
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Burton I assume had some demons too
Not really.
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Mocking the Black album is stupid. It is awesome.
It's junk. shite songwriting for the lowest common denominator. It's as bad a step backward as anything they could have possibly done. I'll never forget how crushingly disappointed I was the first couple of times I listened to it.
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Burton "not signing off on it" would equal them not growing as a band.
Seeing as they'd grown as a band by leaps and bounds between the first three albums, that statement makes no sense at all.
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You can't be all heavy all the time. You can, but you would be Slayer who are not nearly as relevant historically.
You can 'not be heavy all the time' and still write good songs, which unfortunately they didn't.
And all heavy all the time has sure worked out fine for many other bands, and not just Slayer.
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Had they not gotten rid of mustaine they may never have gotten started.
Yeah, 'cause he just faded away didn't he.
Megadeth has never stopped making great music. His catalog of awesome tunes dwarfs Metallica's after ...And Justice. Hell, he's put out more good albums in just the last decade than Metallica has over their whole career.
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Had cliff not died they may never have gotten the work done that they did.
If you mean working to appeal to the masses with dreadful, simplistic bullshite, I agree.
Posted on 10/5/13 at 10:57 pm to WikiTiger
They would be the same only different.
Posted on 10/6/13 at 12:14 am to Sayre
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Burton I assume had some demons too
Not really.
Yea Burton was pretty chill and from all accounts a beloved person
Posted on 10/6/13 at 1:23 am to REG861
Cliff Burton was and is the best bassist to ever touch a guitar. BUT, I think Metallica getting Jason was also one of the best things they ever did. You can't tell me you didn't like his backing vocals. Dude was a monster live.
Posted on 10/6/13 at 10:08 am to FourThreeForty
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Cliff Burton was and is the best bassist to ever touch a guitar.
Sweet Baby Jesus!!!
The John Ens(can't spell) guy from The Who??
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