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re: The Music Board Poster Profile and SmackdownThunderdome- All are welcome
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:50 am to MrCoachKlein
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:50 am to MrCoachKlein
My name is a Baloo and I'm an old, cranky punk who hates everything. Well, that's not true, and I think everyone should like what they like and not be ashamed of it. there are no guilty pleasures, just pleasures. But while I like the Rolling Stones as much as the next guy (probably more), I intensely dislike the way we fetishize the 60s and 70s. There's great music from all era, and it's one thing for Boomers to get all misty eyed in nostalgia for the music of their youth, but when kids do it.... I just think it's sad. You're just missing out on a whole lot trying to live someone else's youth.
That said, I think modern pop music is f'n terrible. Just awful, and I'm pissed that underground music fans are generally supportive of this balless, soulless sludge being foisted on us by record execs. Bands suck right now because it is too easy to publish and distribute. Now, i'm all for a couple of kids in their garage making gleeful noise. That's the stuff of the gods, but the problem is, too many bands are reaching a national stage before they have established their chops.
Music was meant to be heard live. It's great, but it's also how bands learn to be great. As the story goes, the Beatles left England as an ordinary skiffle band, but after a few months of playing every night in Germany in front of hostile crowds... they came back as, well, the Beatles.
I'm all for bringing down the record industry and doing it yourself. That's great. you don't need a label to make it. But you do need an amp and a stage. Get out there and play. Make noise. Piss off the neighbors. Stop making music that is so safe and bland.
These amps go up to 11. Use all of it. I never thought I'd be annoyed with the kids' music for not being hardcore enough. At least the electronica people (or whatever the frick they want us to call their music that's been around for 25 years but pretend its new) are doing their best to piss off all the old farts. I don't like what they're doing, but I at least appreciate the effort. Good on y'all.
That said, I think modern pop music is f'n terrible. Just awful, and I'm pissed that underground music fans are generally supportive of this balless, soulless sludge being foisted on us by record execs. Bands suck right now because it is too easy to publish and distribute. Now, i'm all for a couple of kids in their garage making gleeful noise. That's the stuff of the gods, but the problem is, too many bands are reaching a national stage before they have established their chops.
Music was meant to be heard live. It's great, but it's also how bands learn to be great. As the story goes, the Beatles left England as an ordinary skiffle band, but after a few months of playing every night in Germany in front of hostile crowds... they came back as, well, the Beatles.
I'm all for bringing down the record industry and doing it yourself. That's great. you don't need a label to make it. But you do need an amp and a stage. Get out there and play. Make noise. Piss off the neighbors. Stop making music that is so safe and bland.
These amps go up to 11. Use all of it. I never thought I'd be annoyed with the kids' music for not being hardcore enough. At least the electronica people (or whatever the frick they want us to call their music that's been around for 25 years but pretend its new) are doing their best to piss off all the old farts. I don't like what they're doing, but I at least appreciate the effort. Good on y'all.
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Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:43 am to Baloo
Baloo, I understand where you are coming from about today's music but I don't 100% agree with it. You would think that breaking down the barriers to have your music heard would be a good thing for music as a whole. I still think it is...but the downside is that there aren't as many stand out acts that really blow you away with a unique sound. They are all starting to sound the same. Gone are the days where certain parts of the country had their own unique sound, such as Seattle or LA.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:58 am to MrCoachKlein
quote:
Neil Young is a douche
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:01 am to SUB
I agree with you entirely. I am all for breaking down barriers and bringing music to the people without any sort of gatekeeper. But there is a downside: the lack of strong, regional scenes and the fact that if anyone can record... then ANYONE can record. Bands now record their debut before ever playing live. It shows. Playing live is what makes you good, and we're losing that. A serious artist should hold off on that first recording and just go make some joyful noise for a while so they can figure out what they want their songs to sound like.
We have the tools. Use them better.
We have the tools. Use them better.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:05 am to Baloo
quote:
Baloo
I think you are underestimating the power of live shows today.
Bands don't make money off selling records anymore. The real income comes from playing live concerts. The festival circuit has absolutely exploded over the past decade, featuring hundreds of artists. You act as if there is a shortage of live quality music, which I don't think could be any futhur from the truth.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:15 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I like festivals. I've been to a lot of them. But there is no comparison to a club show to a festival show. A festival show is a greatest hits collection in a field. And that's nice, and I enjoy it, but it is about 10% as good as a great club show. And that's at the very best. If you've only seen a band at a festival, you haven't really seen them at their best.
And I'm also talking about bands getting started. Bands need to play the local scene, and that's a world removed from being popular enough to play Coachella.
There is a shortage of quality live music. Now, there are some great live bands right now, of course. I saw Foals this year, and they blew my doors off, and I did not expect that from their record. But overall, the quality of live music is on a steep decline. And I even mean this from bands I like. I tend to be an indie fan and geez... we are awash in noodly bands with the stage presence of a dead fish. There's way too many "headphone" bands right now.
Look at the year end best of lists and ask yourself, how many of these bands would I describe as "visceral"? Not many. We're living in an age of music meant to be experienced alone or on your headphones. I have very little interest in that.
And I'm also talking about bands getting started. Bands need to play the local scene, and that's a world removed from being popular enough to play Coachella.
There is a shortage of quality live music. Now, there are some great live bands right now, of course. I saw Foals this year, and they blew my doors off, and I did not expect that from their record. But overall, the quality of live music is on a steep decline. And I even mean this from bands I like. I tend to be an indie fan and geez... we are awash in noodly bands with the stage presence of a dead fish. There's way too many "headphone" bands right now.
Look at the year end best of lists and ask yourself, how many of these bands would I describe as "visceral"? Not many. We're living in an age of music meant to be experienced alone or on your headphones. I have very little interest in that.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:25 am to Baloo
quote:
I like festivals. I've been to a lot of them. But there is no comparison to a club show to a festival show. A festival show is a greatest hits collection in a field. And that's nice, and I enjoy it, but it is about 10% as good as a great club show.
Usually in most cases you are right, although there are some instances where a festival set can be better than a club show.
Anyway, festivals are great with their multi-bills because you are exposed to a bunch of bands you have never heard of or seen before. There have been so many times where I 'discover' a band at a festival and then catch them at their own show next time they are in town. It is a formula I am sure everyone can relate to.
quote:
There is a shortage of quality live music
Where? Baton Rouge?
But seriously, I don't know where you reside but there are many healthy live scenes in the US in cities like NYC, New Orleans, Austin, Denver/Boulder, Asheville, Athens, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, Chicago, etc... I am sure some will nitpick that list but you get the point.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:26 am to TheDoc
Actually my biggest complaint is that napster is gone. I don't like most current music but technology has made it easy to access anything anywhere. The horribleness that is New Country is now easily avoided until country music gets good again, which it surely will. That goes for all genres I think.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:33 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Iluvdatiger's music profile:
#of song on iphone: 495
age: 33
Musical influences:
from father-led zepp, lynard skynard, old country
from mother-hall & oates, the carpenters, simon & Garfunkel, hits of the 70s
from maternal grandparents-frank Sinatra, dean martin
from paternal grandma-church/gospel music
Growing up I loved all the pop music but I fell into the "grunge" music in middle school. In high school I listened to a lot of pop and rap/hiphop. Once college started, I became obsessed with Panic and also EDM. If I wasn't going to a Panic show, I was going to State Palace on the weekends. I also started going to music festivals and that is mostly what I stick to now so I can listen to a variety of music.
Last Concert I went to: Panic Nolaween show 2013
Artist/Band I have seen the Most: Panic
Favorite Festival: Hangout Fest and Jazz Fest
#of song on iphone: 495
age: 33
Musical influences:
from father-led zepp, lynard skynard, old country
from mother-hall & oates, the carpenters, simon & Garfunkel, hits of the 70s
from maternal grandparents-frank Sinatra, dean martin
from paternal grandma-church/gospel music
Growing up I loved all the pop music but I fell into the "grunge" music in middle school. In high school I listened to a lot of pop and rap/hiphop. Once college started, I became obsessed with Panic and also EDM. If I wasn't going to a Panic show, I was going to State Palace on the weekends. I also started going to music festivals and that is mostly what I stick to now so I can listen to a variety of music.
Last Concert I went to: Panic Nolaween show 2013
Artist/Band I have seen the Most: Panic
Favorite Festival: Hangout Fest and Jazz Fest
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:34 am to Baloo
quote:
Get out there and play. Make noise
Like the great John Reis, aka Speedo, once said... 'I think everyone should start their own band... I just don't necessarily want to hear them all'
I'm with you on festivals... When my gf and I were leaving Riot Fest this year, we both came to the realization that... we don't necessarily enjoy them anymore and that was probably our last (except Jazz Fest)..
That said, we are planning Merge's 25 year anniversary in late July (club shows)
by the way, my bday present from this years Riot Fest...
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:50 am to SUB
quote:This has been happening in American culture, not just music, since at least the 1920s, when 1) automobiles and better roads made people more mobile, 2) chain stores (Piggly Wiggly, Sears) became popular, and 3) radio and movies began unifying the mass audience.
there aren't as many stand out acts that really blow you away with a unique sound. They are all starting to sound the same. Gone are the days where certain parts of the country had their own unique sound, such as Seattle or LA.
In the '50s TV and the interstate system (McDonald's, Holiday Inn) sped up the process, and today of course we have the internet.
In the '50s it might take years for swamp pop or Texas rockabilly, say, to make it to Chicago. Now a new sound can go around the world instantly. When everyone has access to everything, styles will inevitably blend together.
And the mass audience seems to prefer the generic sound anyway.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 11:35 am to TheDoc
quote:
heh
I was typing on my iPhone's chrome, and it auto reloads and I always hit the submit by accident. So it was edited from (no message)
Posted on 12/23/13 at 12:07 pm to Spaulding Smails
Likely story
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:37 pm to Baloo
quote:
There is a shortage of quality live music. Now, there are some great live bands right now, of course. I saw Foals this year, and they blew my doors off, and I did not expect that from their record. But overall, the quality of live music is on a steep decline. And I even mean this from bands I like. I tend to be an indie fan and geez... we are awash in noodly bands with the stage presence of a dead fish. There's way too many "headphone" bands right now.
I work at mud and water a couple nights out of the week and chances are I'm there as a patron a couple more nights a week.
I see unknown no name touring bands pretty much all week and I don't see where your fear is coming from.
It's not the good live shows that are missing from this equation. It's the lack of interest in watching these shows that is missing. Kids WANT your headphone bands because they're not willing to go to a bar to see a band they've never heard before and they're not willing to work to hear that band in the first place.
If live music is dying like you say it is, and I don't agree that it is, then it's not the bands fault it's the listeners.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:14 pm to Spaulding Smails
I am Snatchy. As you can see, I greatly appreciate the work of living-legend Tom Waits. I 100% believe he is one of the most incredible artists (including actors, poets, painters, etc.) on the planet. He is a performer that provides a feeling in his music. If you get him, you know what I am talking about.
It is easier to tell you what I dislike....
Pop music including country. It can be good and popular, but it is rare to hear it on terrestrial radio.
I love anything original/experimental. You can't put a price on creativity. This includes all genres of music.
Other favorites:
Beatles
Paul Simon
Sublime
The Rolling Stones
The Clash
The Police
David Bowie
RATM
Talking Heads
The Doors
Biggie Smalls
Nirvana
MGMT
The Dirty Heads
Morning Teleportation
The Shins
Ryan Adams
Trombone Shorty
Wilco
Outkast
Dr. John
Elton John
Miles Davis
Peter Tosh
Pixies
Led Zepplin
Pink Floyd
Blind Willie Johnson
It is easier to tell you what I dislike....
Pop music including country. It can be good and popular, but it is rare to hear it on terrestrial radio.
I love anything original/experimental. You can't put a price on creativity. This includes all genres of music.
Other favorites:
Beatles
Paul Simon
Sublime
The Rolling Stones
The Clash
The Police
David Bowie
RATM
Talking Heads
The Doors
Biggie Smalls
Nirvana
MGMT
The Dirty Heads
Morning Teleportation
The Shins
Ryan Adams
Trombone Shorty
Wilco
Outkast
Dr. John
Elton John
Miles Davis
Peter Tosh
Pixies
Led Zepplin
Pink Floyd
Blind Willie Johnson
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:15 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:tell me about this place. Is it new?
I work at mud and water
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:18 pm to CottonWasKing
You work there now cwk? When did that happen?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:28 pm to Kafka
quote:Sums things up just right.
And the mass audience seems to prefer the generic sound anyway.
Like playing ten 311 songs in a row on a juke box
What. The. Frick.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:54 pm to Spaulding Smails
I am Dr. Rockso, the rock and roll clown. I do co-co-cocaine!! I'd rather be on stage singing for you people than hanging out in the crowd listening to someone else getting down.
I like most things British invasion era, especially The Beatles. I learned how to play gittar like a MFn riot by listening to Duane and Dickie and Jerry. Then that guy Slash came along. Now I rock it hard with a Les Paul slung low.
All music is good even though you may not like it all, myself included. I don't even like every song I write. I happen to reside in a musical hotbed on the west coast, and there's a great act to see every night of the week. The best thing I ever did for my music career was getting out of BR...the town is good for blues, but that seems to be about it. I was a regular at the Thursday night Phil Brady's jam in the '80's and early '90's. I really miss the uptown NOLA scene, though.
Now playing: Spearhead
I like most things British invasion era, especially The Beatles. I learned how to play gittar like a MFn riot by listening to Duane and Dickie and Jerry. Then that guy Slash came along. Now I rock it hard with a Les Paul slung low.
All music is good even though you may not like it all, myself included. I don't even like every song I write. I happen to reside in a musical hotbed on the west coast, and there's a great act to see every night of the week. The best thing I ever did for my music career was getting out of BR...the town is good for blues, but that seems to be about it. I was a regular at the Thursday night Phil Brady's jam in the '80's and early '90's. I really miss the uptown NOLA scene, though.
Now playing: Spearhead
Posted on 12/23/13 at 4:56 pm to Dr. Rockso
I go by JW on here, but many call me Woolsey. I Have been a member of TD for almost ten years (sad and scary). In college, I put on shows at the Moon, Bayou, Chelseas etc. and helped open the Red Star Bar in 1999. I have a deep appreciation for many kinds of music, which I hope is evident in the calendar of my side project known as Mud and Water. Many of you on here are supportive of the venue and I appreciate it. By day, I am a feature film art director who works around the country and home in NOLA as much as possible.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 4:58 pm
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