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re: So NWA made the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame but Nine Inch Nails didn't

Posted on 12/19/15 at 9:40 pm to
Posted by danman6336
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Posted on 12/19/15 at 9:40 pm to
Phish > Nine Inch Nails
Posted by REB BEER
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 5:13 am to
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NWA is rock???????????????!!!


Hank Williams is in there too. I found that puzzling as well.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:35 am to
The HoF has inducted non-rock acts from its very inception. I view complaints against NWA as a non-rock act as a non-starter. The better case against them is that they really only had one album. They had a second, but it's a mess, so really... one great album. Even Guns n Roses has a bigger catalog. Also, if we're inducted hip hop acts, why isn't Eric B and Rakim on? Or Afrika Bambaataa, who pretty much started hip hop as we know it?

The bigger problem is that the Hall has no idea how to handle pop music post-1980. It keeps inducting second tier Boomer acts (Steve Miller? REALLY?) while it has ignored great acts of the 80s? I mean, I'm not a fan, but leaving out the Smiths is ridiculous. And if we're gonna say they weren't popular enough (like other landmark acts like Sonic Youth or the Replacements), then why not Bon Jovi? I mean, they were more successful that Steve Miller. I hate hair metal with a fiery passion, but it did exist, and probably deserves a representative band. Like Motley Crue or Def Leppard.

The Hall has no idea how to tell the story of pop music post-punk/disco revolution. Leaving out Chic as well is just absurd. They are a key band in the history of pop music, and you can trace the birth of hip hop to them. Yes, hip hop is a subgenre of disco.

Considering that EDM is now a fairly large subgenre, I think you could justify NIN or Ministry in the Hall for their influence. Or the Dust Brothers.
Posted by jim712
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:44 am to
Ummm Moody Blues, the Cars?
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:33 am to
Who is inducted is all about politics. Theres more good bands that aren't in the hall of fame than are.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:20 am to
It would have been mean spirited or exclusionary to keep NWA out. Nails, well they are white guys....

In general, isn't pretty much everyone/group that needs to be in for awhile actually in the HOF? I would think so if we are down to debating NWA vs Nails.
Posted by ZacAttack
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:43 am to
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In general, isn't pretty much everyone/group that needs to be in for awhile actually in the HOF? I would think so if we are down to debating NWA vs Nails.


Not even close. A short list that comes to mind.
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Yes
Motörhead
Offspring (they have the shitty mainstream version of the offspring already aka Greenday)
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
Basically almost any good metal group from the 80s, yeah a lot of it was shite but still.
Ted Nugent
Hell Chicago and Deep Purple are just now being inducted.
Posted by 91TIGER
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 12:13 pm to
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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame


The same one that didn't include Journey ? What a joke this "Hall of Fame" is. They're just one of many left out. They include all kind of junk in the name of rock and roll, that's fine, but they left out Three Dog Night and the Carpenters too.
Posted by Peazey
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Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 12/20/15 at 12:14 pm to
Every time a new band gets brought into the R and R hall of fame people get pissed off that their favorite band didn't make it. Just accept that the entire concept of a R and R Hall of Fame is stupid. It makes no difference at all to me whether or not the artists that I respect make it.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Tiger in Texas
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 12:34 pm to
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You have got to be kidding me. frick that noise.


It's not even noise, musicians create 'noise', it is just pure crap, while at least 50-100 real deserving bands don't even get a blip on the screen. But again, it's just some commercial bullshite thing- TR&RHOF. I don't pay much mind to it, I have given up on them being serious about 'rock' music or it's roots, so I tune it out, much the way I turned away from commercial radio & MTV many, many years ago.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:07 am to
This is the 2nd year NIN has been snubbed. And put NWA in, NWA did a lot for "gangsta" rap and had a roster of all-pros (supergroup) but they were still just another west-coast rap outfit.

NIN changed music and the mainstream and introduced industrial to a new generation. Ministry started it, yes, but Reznor brought it full circle and integrated it into pop and received huge radio, airplay, and won a grammy for a live performance in 1994.


Posted by musick
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:10 am to
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Remember when The Prodigy was supposed to be the next big thing in music? That didn't quite work out but you had Smashing Pumpkins dabbling in electronic music, David Bowie and Rob Halford both went full on industrial, and Rammstein was starting to get noticed in the underground all around this time. You can attribute all of that to NIN. Plus you had bands like KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, Pitchshifter, and a few other industrial acts get some mainstream exposure. I think Reznor had a bigger influence on the 90s than some people realize.


+1000. Also I think you can also attribute the hybrid bands success to NIN such as Linkin Park and all those spawns in the early 2000's.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:28 am to
NWA were not just another west coast rap group. They were THE west coast rap group. Before them rap was almost entirely dominated by New York.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:02 am to
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Which had the bigger cultural impact?


Which is "Rock and Roll"?
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:07 am to
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WOuld Richard Patrick be inducted?




Richard Patrick played one atmospheric guitar part on Pretty Hate Machine.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:25 am to
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That's debatable to me. Obviously NWA were huge at the time but most everyone knows "I want to frick you like an animal" as well.

I don't give two rats arse about the rock-n-roll HOF but it's not debatable at all IMO. NWA is a monster influence on the direction rap took and pop culture in general over anything Trent's done. But it should tell you a little something about the HOF to induct a rap artist.
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Reznor pioneered the way for electronic/industrial acts

I was really into this genre in late 80's and I disagree on the pioneering part. He was more like the most successful at it and probably most talented. Al Jourgensen was pioneering but IMO the most important figure in electronic/industrial of that day is Flood which is probably why NIN ever became popular. Go look at his list of stuff he's credited for as engineer and producer. He's worked with many influential bands he did even get credited for.. To see the progression of NIN's sound, all you have to do is look at Nitzer Ebb where it seemed Flood would experiment a little more and then hone it in on NIN and then build off that for the next Nitzer Ebb and repeat. But that electro/industrial sound some bands were experimenting with was more likely due to Flood and not Trent.

Smashing Pumpkins electro? Check out the producer. U2 made that drastic turn from Joshua Tree to Achtung, look who they brought in to mix and engineer it.

Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, Front Line Assembly, Cabaret Voltaire, were already known and doing their thing before NIN came around.

This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:28 am
Posted by musick
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:01 am to
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the most important figure in electronic/industrial of that day is Flood which is probably why NIN ever became popular.


Flood was important but Reznor is the reason NIN became popular, Flood headed the production of the first 2 albums and those were huge but Reznor on-stage persona and live performance of those songs are what pushed him over the hump.

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I don't give two rats arse about the rock-n-roll HOF but it's not debatable at all IMO. NWA is a monster influence on the direction rap took and pop culture in general over anything Trent's done. But it should tell you a little something about the HOF to induct a rap artist.


NWA was a supergroup. All of those artists had careers before and after NWA. Yes NWA launched an entire genre and influence. Trent did as well is all I'm saying. The Fragile is a masterpiece and when you add Downward Spiral to that, it's one of the most influential albums of the 90s.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42612 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:08 am to
NWA was not a supergroup. None of those guys were stars before that.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:34 am to
Until Sonic Youth and the Pixies are in, the RRHOF will continue to be a complete joke.
Posted by TigerMonkey
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:00 pm to
Something tells me Trent doesn't care. Especially considering he and Dre are friends. He doesn't need acknowledgement to know how good NIN is/has been. NIN's time will come.
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