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re: Musical hot takes
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's just the latest iteration of prog masturbation that people pretend is deep.
That's not Tool though. It's cool if your opinion is you hate them, but if their songs connect with people nobody's pretending to like them or have an emotional connection. There's prog bands I can't stand hearing, Dream Theater, Rush to name a few but Tool hits different. If anything it's cooler to say they suck than to praise them.
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:58 pm to Kafka
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Post-Syd PF is just boring.
Every time someone says this, a hipster gets his wings.
I mean, seriously. Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a fine album, but what on there can possibly compare to "Echoes" or "Comfortably Numb" or anything off DSOTM? Hell, A Saucerful of Secrets is better.
Yes, yes, I know, musical opinions are inherently subjective, but I just don't get this one.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:33 pm to Saintsisit
If Tool knew how to get to the f$&king point, they’d be Chevelle.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:18 pm to kingbob
Tool's rhythm section is one of the best in music today. If you can't hear that, then you're just an idiot.
I agree they have entirely to much nonsense on the last two albums. But, to say they suck, is ridiculous.
I agree they have entirely to much nonsense on the last two albums. But, to say they suck, is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:58 pm to themetalreb
technical proficiency is extremely overrated when it comes to the song...
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:00 pm to Jim Rockford
Pink Floyd is quaaludes
Posted on 4/21/23 at 12:17 am to kingbob
quote:Perhaps I should have clarified - GOOD vocal melodies that millions will love.
From my experience as a songwriter, this is by FAR the EASIEST part of the process
Posted on 4/21/23 at 12:18 am to kingbob
quote:I know this is still intended to be a knock on Chevelle also, but if Tool had JUST ONE song as good as "Send the Pain Below", then they'd be 100X better than they are now.
If Tool knew how to get to the f$&king point, they’d be Chevelle.
I will say, I am at least intrigued by the most recent Tool stuff that is just outright psychedelia.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 12:26 am to kingbob
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If Tool knew how to get to the f$&king point, they’d be Chevelle.
I don't know Tool's Music, or Chevelle's either, but getting to the hook early is damn important.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 12:29 am to auggie
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Tool's Music
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getting to the hook early is damn important.
I have bad news for you. Some of the songs have like 4 minute intros that are literally nothing more than them trying to prove they can memorize a bunch of random time signature bullshite (like Yes).
Posted on 4/21/23 at 12:31 am to Big Scrub TX
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I have bad news for you. Some of the songs have like 4 minute intros that are literally nothing more than them trying to prove they can memorize a bunch of random time signature bullshite (like Yes).
That's not bad news for me.
I'm just a writer. Even so, people associate certain tones and progressions with moods and themes.
Maybe a 7-note intro (borrowed and modified from a cartoon or movie) to set the mood and get right to the damn story of the song.
This post was edited on 4/21/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/21/23 at 1:09 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
know this is still intended to be a knock on Chevelle also
Not at all. I really enjoy both Tool and Chevelle. I just find Tool songs often bury the lead and drag on WAY too long, like a good premise stretched too long in a sketch. Chevelle is a little simpler, but more concise and with better hooks. That’s why even though I can acknowledge that Tool has better musicians, I would usually rather listen to Chevelle’s songs. Tool tires me out quickly.
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Perhaps I should have clarified - GOOD vocal melodies
Walked right into that one
This post was edited on 4/21/23 at 1:10 am
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:59 am to auggie
Does Tool have songs? I've never heard one...now I HAVE heard Tool noises, strange sounds over pretentious odd time signatures for 7-8 minutes, but I don't think I've ever heard a Tool song. That band is complete and utter garbage.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:04 am to Big Scrub TX
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what is it?
i guess country-themed rock, maybe? i dont know what I would call it, just that it's not country. if it WAS country, then how come no other country act sounds at all like Johnny Cash?
Johnny Cash was a cool guy, and he has some good songs. he definitely did a lot for the country music genre. but his music is way overrated and isnt country.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:08 am to themetalreb
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Does Tool have songs? I've never heard one...now I HAVE heard Tool noises, strange sounds over pretentious odd time signatures for 7-8 minutes, but I don't think I've ever heard a Tool song. That band is complete and utter garbage.
Well.. you're asking the wrong guy
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:21 am to Jim Rockford
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He was great when he was struggling, then he got rich and decadent.
Greatness from GFAP through Nebraska. There is backlash against Born in the USA because it was such a massive cultural phenomenon in the 80s and you couldn't get away from it, but it has a lot of great stuff...and you also can't sleep on Tunnel of Love. But its a steady downward decline from there, with The Rising (and live performances) being an exception.
Springsteen hot take: He is not really as big of a leftist zealot as he portrays, but he intentionally does it to try to remain relevant with the music press/critics, to fit in the artist community, and to soften the backlash/jealousy over the massive wealth he has accumulated (and continues to generate).
Springsteen lukewarm take: The Music Board's hatred of the guy is driven by perceived political views rather than music.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:23 am to BabysArmHoldingApple
quote:I'm literally indifferent to his politics. I just think he sucks.
Springsteen lukewarm take: The Music Board's hatred of the guy is driven by perceived political views rather than music.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:27 am to BabysArmHoldingApple
quote:
Greatness from GFAP through Nebraska. There is backlash against Born in the USA because it was such a massive cultural phenomenon in the 80s and you couldn't get away from it, but it has a lot of great stuff...and you also can't sleep on Tunnel of Love. But its a steady downward decline from there, with The Rising (and live performances) being an exception.
Springsteen hot take: He is not really as big of a leftist zealot as he portrays, but he intentionally does it to try to remain relevant with the music press/critics, to fit in the artist community, and to soften the backlash/jealousy over the massive wealth he has accumulated (and continues to generate).
Springsteen lukewarm take: The Music Board's hatred of the guy is driven by perceived political views rather than music.
Have to agree with every bit of this.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:49 am to BabysArmHoldingApple
Creem Magazine’s take on Springsteen: He sings like a bellowing moose stuck in the mud.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:51 am to Jim Rockford
Here's another one: RHCP is not terrible when they stick to their funk rock roots, but with the single exception of "Under the Bridge," their ballads are crimes against humanity. Any time Anthony Kiedis takes a breath and attempts to actually sing, the world becomes a sadder, darker, less welcoming place.
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