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Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:45 pm to MUMFORD
quote:
Yep. It's obvious you really know a lot about Prince.
Sorry, Let's GO Crazy
Honestly, I really am not a big Prince fan and don't dig into his catalog much due to the fact that most of his popular radio tracks rely heavily on drum machines and synthesizers, which are like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Most songs I've heard from Prince lean on those "musical crutches", which seems insane. You're f&%king Prince. You could have any drummer you want. You could hire the best damn horn section in the business. You can layer 15 badass guitar tracks. You don't need to use a bunch of shittastic sounding synth.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:45 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
John Lennon
Posted on 12/14/18 at 3:49 pm to 225bred
quote:
Are we equating success with talent?
define "talent".
op was discussing overrated musicians, and beatles, taetae, bob and others came up, and i was making the point that none of them were particularly revered or rated (over or otherwise) for their musicianship. they were all very successful at making music and selling records, not necessarily playing an instrument.
as for lennon being great, opinions vary well known, but mediocre axe men
Posted on 12/14/18 at 4:04 pm to piratedude
There are two types of musicians: interpretive musicians and creative musicians. Interpretive musicians perform the works of others. They are measured purely by their technical competence and their ability to play a given arrangement. Creative musicians compose music. These are your songwriters and composers.
When we talk about "rating" bands, we are really discussing our perception of how much people like their work based on how many have heard of them, how many listen to them regularly, and how many really enjoy listening to them. That brings a marketing aspect to this.
For example, you may have a favorite song that is wonderfully written and performed by extremely competent instrumentalists. However, because that track was never picked up by Top 40 Radio or classic rock DJ's, most people on the street wouldn't be able to name the title or the artist. That's a song that you would consider underrated because people don't talk about it.
On the flip side, an artist that is extremely well-known, like Justin Bieber, but also widely hated, could be thought of as over-rated, because people mistake name-recognition for popularity. Popularity means people actually like you. Name-recognition just means they know who you are, which is not necessarily a good thing.
So, when you're evaluating who is most overrated, you have to score it based on a few questions:
1. How well-known is said artist?
2. Among those who know said artist, how many of them really like and enjoy that artist?
3. Is that artist known for writing their own music?
4. How talented is said artist at their instrument (guitar, voice, drums, etc)?
5. How much do YOU like said artist relative to other artists people both know and enjoy to the same or greater extent?
Whatever factors you give more weight to is entirely up to you.
When we talk about "rating" bands, we are really discussing our perception of how much people like their work based on how many have heard of them, how many listen to them regularly, and how many really enjoy listening to them. That brings a marketing aspect to this.
For example, you may have a favorite song that is wonderfully written and performed by extremely competent instrumentalists. However, because that track was never picked up by Top 40 Radio or classic rock DJ's, most people on the street wouldn't be able to name the title or the artist. That's a song that you would consider underrated because people don't talk about it.
On the flip side, an artist that is extremely well-known, like Justin Bieber, but also widely hated, could be thought of as over-rated, because people mistake name-recognition for popularity. Popularity means people actually like you. Name-recognition just means they know who you are, which is not necessarily a good thing.
So, when you're evaluating who is most overrated, you have to score it based on a few questions:
1. How well-known is said artist?
2. Among those who know said artist, how many of them really like and enjoy that artist?
3. Is that artist known for writing their own music?
4. How talented is said artist at their instrument (guitar, voice, drums, etc)?
5. How much do YOU like said artist relative to other artists people both know and enjoy to the same or greater extent?
Whatever factors you give more weight to is entirely up to you.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 5:05 pm to Bagger Joe
Springsteen not a good performer?
You are right. He is a great performer
You are right. He is a great performer
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:22 pm to Placebeaux
My favorite song by them is his "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:26 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
But nothing is worse than country music.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:18 pm to Melvin
I’m the present?
Father John Misty
Father John Misty
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:27 pm to Kige Ramsey
I respect the Beatles for what they did in their time and in terms of their pop culture impact but when I saw people listing this as a top 10 ban it was pretty disconcerting
Posted on 12/14/18 at 11:36 pm to kale
quote:live music is never disconcerting
it was pretty disconcerting
Posted on 12/15/18 at 3:22 am to Choctaw
quote:.... maybe if he'd lived to be as old as Methuselah. But that didn't happen.
one of the best guitar players to ever live?
quote:Solo albums?
he played every instrument in every song on his first album
So did Lenny Kravitz on every album, as has Stevie Wonder, as has Steve Winwood, as has Sufjan Stevens, and so on. Not to say guy sucked, he just wasn't the top at any one thing, and certainly not best the solo performer.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 3:33 am to Kafka
. . . if the question is overrated (as opposed to not very good)*
Kanye West
Tiny Tim
Madonna
Neal Diamond
Keith Urban
Paul 'Is Dead' McCartney
Mariah Carry (?)
Michael Buble
Josh Grogan
Joan Southerland
Maria Callas
Roger Plant
Jack White
Journey
Zam Pher (guy on the pan flute)
Justin Timberlake
Frank Sinatra
Elvis (and Costello)
Bono
Cher
Bette Midler
Blake Shelton
Metallica
Black Eyed Peas
David Bowie
Prince
Ralph Stanley
Fleetwood Mac
plus Jon Batiste (and his melodica)
and
The Shaggs (since replied from KKafka )
Kanye West
Tiny Tim
Madonna
Neal Diamond
Keith Urban
Paul 'Is Dead' McCartney
Mariah Carry (?)
Michael Buble
Josh Grogan
Joan Southerland
Maria Callas
Roger Plant
Jack White
Journey
Zam Pher (guy on the pan flute)
Justin Timberlake
Frank Sinatra
Elvis (and Costello)
Bono
Cher
Bette Midler
Blake Shelton
Metallica
Black Eyed Peas
David Bowie
Prince
Ralph Stanley
Fleetwood Mac
plus Jon Batiste (and his melodica)
and
The Shaggs (since replied from KKafka )
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 4:45 am
Posted on 12/15/18 at 7:52 am to MorbidTheClown
quote:
i just assume those who are nominating the beatles are either really young or trolling.
Overrated doesn't necessarily have to mean bad, just not the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. I get it, they influenced practically every band that came after them in one way or another. Even so there are fifty of those bands they influenced who I would rather listen to than the Beatles themselves. Their junk gets glossed over because of their history. Any schmuck capable of picking up a pen and a piece of paper can write lyrics on a level with "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah."
Posted on 12/15/18 at 8:06 am to 88Wildcat
It's hard to narrow it down to a "most" but one that comes to mind for me is Stevie Wonder. I love his up tempo, funky stuff like Living for the City, You Haven't Done Nothin', I Wish, Sir Duke, Master Blaster, etc. However his ballads sound like cocktail lounge music. Very bland, forgettable, piano elevator music that makes Neil Diamond sound like Motorhead by comparison. That reminds me Neil Diamond should be on the list simply for being the one act who didn't fit in with The Last Waltz.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:51 am to MorbidTheClown
You have to be a special kind of ignorant to diss Prince as a musician OR performer. The ironic thing is, most all time greats in music history will tell anybody that will listen that Prince was the greatest, and it ain't even close. You would think those people would know what they are talking about!!
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