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re: Most overrated Band in history? The correct answer is Nirvana.

Posted on 10/20/21 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 12:29 pm to
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They are regularly compared to the Beatles and that’s ridiculous.


It's difficult to argue your point.

I was in Nirvana's target audience when they were active and most popular. Today, they're hardly an afterthought when I look back at that time in my life and I rarely go out of my way to listen to their music, now.

If Nirvana were nearly as important and as influential as the Beatles, the airwaves wouldn't be flooded with such terrible music today and the traditional rock band wouldn't be on life support.

Regarding bands of their era, the music of Stone Temple Pilots has aged better than the music of Nirvana. It's more technical, more melodic, and more dynamic. Some may wanna fight me, but...
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 12:30 pm
Posted by TexTigah81
Member since Nov 2013
588 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 12:33 pm to
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The Beatles


- 20 #1"s in roughly 8 years
- sold more records than The Stones & Led Zeppelin combined
- Lennon/McCartney considered best songwriting duo of all
time
- impressive progression of their music from 1964 to 1967
- extremely versatile. Could play rock, ballads, heavy
metal( Helter Skelter), blues ( Yer Blues ,I Want You (She's So Heavy))
- Lennon, McCartney & Harrison All had #1 albums & singles in their solo careers. Even Ringo has had (2) #1 singles. What other band can claim that?

Maybe you just don't like their music and that's fine, everyone has their opinion and musical taste. But according to Most polls, The Beatles are the Greatest band of All Time.

Top 10 Best Bands of All Time.

The Greatest rock and roll bands of all time

Avid rock fans top 10 bands

Rolling Stone Top 100 Artist of All Time

Guitar Junky 10 Greatest Rock Bands Ever
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 12:44 pm to
Zed Leppelin
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:04 pm to
I was just starting college when Nirvana got big. My memory of that time was Pearl Jam was the more popular of the 2. I know I saw Nirvana a few months before Cobain's death in a smallish venue, while Pearl Jam tickets a few months later were very hard to come by and they were at a larger arena. Some of Nirvana's mystique that has grown over the years was fueled by Cobain's death. While I agree they are overrated, not sure I'd label them the most overrated in history. I'd probably give that to The Eagles, or maybe The Beatles. That latter is a more difficult argument though.
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:19 pm to
I've never been a big Pearl Jam fan, but a strong argument can be made that Cobain's suicide is what put Nirvana ahead of the grunge pack to stay.

Cobain's burning-out was much more intriguing that his contemporaries' fading-away.

I don't know much about Eddie Vedder and his bandmates. Have they steered clear of the drug issues that plagued Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, and Stone Temple Pilots' frontmen?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:30 pm to
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I don't know much about Eddie Vedder and his bandmates. Have they steered clear of the drug issues that plagued Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, and Stone Temple Pilots' frontmen?




Not to the extent those other guys did. I believe Stone Gossard did an interview years ago where he said they dabbled a little in heroin in their early days because all the bands around them were, but none of them ever had lingering addiction issues. And I know Eddie liked his nose candy over the years, as most rock artists do.

One of their early drummers was "kicked" out of the band for drinking too much.
Posted by massilsu
Oz
Member since Sep 2020
1947 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 2:45 pm to
1. U2
2. REM
3. Motley Crue
4.The Offspring
5. Nickleback

Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
3839 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 2:58 pm to
Respectfully, I don't believe anyone "rates" The Offspring or Nickelback. Not many folks remember The Offspring by now and I'd argue that few bands are shat upon more than Nickelback.
Posted by massilsu
Oz
Member since Sep 2020
1947 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:12 pm to
i would agree. And so i will replace those 2 with

Limp Bizkuit
RATM- ( although their drummer is top shelf)
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
3839 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:18 pm to
I can go along with Rage Against the Machine being overrated. Their entire body of work consists of a mere three albums and their initial run didn't last a decade.

I've softened a bit on Limp Bizkit, recently. As a middle-aged father of two, it's hard not to dig their new single, "Dad Vibes."
Posted by massilsu
Oz
Member since Sep 2020
1947 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:31 pm to
Wes Moreland is a decent guitar player but they are more style than substance . As for RATM , their first album was probably my favorite album to pop in and play for 1-2 yrs ..but after that they kind of just rinsed and repeated . Plus, their BS political flag waving turned me off of them
But like i said , their drummer has played with Black Sabbath i believe so thats the ultimate tip o the cap
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:35 pm to
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Plus, their BS political flag waving turned me off of them


Indeed. Supposed anti-capitalists, but if memory serves, I had to pay for every Rage record, concert ticket, or t-shirt I owned.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:38 pm to
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Melt by Peter Gabriel where he and Phil Collins accidentally invented gated reverb


Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
71175 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 4:35 pm to
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Respectfully, I don't believe anyone "rates" The Offspring or Nickelback. Not many folks remember The Offspring by now and I'd argue that few bands are shat upon more than Nickelback.


You're probably right. The Offspring had a good song in the 90's and one in the 2000's:
The Kids Aren't Alright
Hammerhead
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87993 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:47 pm to
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2. REM

quote:

4.The Offspring
Bwahahaha
Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Orange Beach
Member since Oct 2017
2171 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:14 am to
Agreed they might not have been the worlds greatest song writers. They were a disruptor to the hair bands and pop stars that were mainstream at the time. There was scene similar to Seattle in the late eighties in Dallas. You could tell by the style of music that was emerging from the young original bands something was going to change …and that change on the national scene was Nirvana. You can look up the album Sounds of Deep Ellum and hear what I’m talking about.
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
3839 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 9:56 am to
It's interesting to note that Nirvana's "Nevermind" record was preceded by Metallica's "Black Album" by roughly six weeks.

Is there a chance that it was actually Metallica, with their black t-shirts, black jeans, and less-than-stellar looks, nudged glam rock out of spotlight, not Nirvana?

Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Orange Beach
Member since Oct 2017
2171 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:00 pm to
I am not sure I would accuse 1991 Metallica of having the same audience as 1991 Nirvana. What I am certain of is the fact there was a pivotal change in musical tastes from the overproduced 1980s. I know post- Nirvana girls did away with shoulder pads and bows in their hair to wearing plaid. Seriously, we went from Scritti Politti and White Lion to Grunge. I in NO way implied Metallica didn't play a role in the transformation.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10881 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:00 pm to
Nirvana should be appreciated for what they were - the face of a seismic shift in popular culture. They really cannot be separated from that particular place and time, and if you weren't there then you can't appreciate it. I still enjoy their music, and I do believe Cobain was a truly gifted songwriter. But I also agree that anyone hyping them as one of the best bands of all time is incorrect. Most impactful? Definitely yes, they're in the top 2 or 3. But best? No, sorry.

What really chaps my arse, and it did back then too, are people who trumpet Cobain as some sort of rock poet laureate. Anyone who reads his lyrics should understand almost immediately that he had very little interesting to say. I heard Dave Grohl say once that Cobain would often wait until he was in the studio to hastily come up with lyrics to songs immediately prior to recording them. But, to listen to some people, he was the grunge equivalent of Jim Morrison. It is past time to admit that emperor has no clothes. Although, admittedly, it would make a cosmic kind of sense for the voice of my generation to be a man who had nothing to say beyond aimless anger and vague, vacuous complaining.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 2:24 pm to
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I am not sure I would accuse 1991 Metallica of having the same audience as 1991 Nirvana



There was a LOT of overlap.
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