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Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:19 am to cincyykid
I vote frick yes
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:28 am to cincyykid
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Top 10 70/80s band
Nope
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:48 am to cincyykid
I've learned over time that the longer certain bands' music resonates, the more they are viewed negatively as putting out "pop rock" in their time.
While that is certainly the case for some bands that have been mentioned, I don't think Journey fits in there. During their prime, they put out some great rock music that has held up very well over the years.
Personally, I think it is due to Steve Perry, who I view as one of the best frontmen of all time. I don't have a definitive list of top 10 70s/80s bands, but I would definitely put them up there, especially for their early 80s work.
While that is certainly the case for some bands that have been mentioned, I don't think Journey fits in there. During their prime, they put out some great rock music that has held up very well over the years.
Personally, I think it is due to Steve Perry, who I view as one of the best frontmen of all time. I don't have a definitive list of top 10 70s/80s bands, but I would definitely put them up there, especially for their early 80s work.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:48 pm to geauxbrown
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Charlie " I can't even play the 2 and 4 on my high hat" Watts? Look, I'm really not making fun of Charlie. For the Stones, he was obviously the man, however being impressed or not, simply isn't enough to place Watts in the same sentence with Neil Peart.
All of this - just as with Ringo and The Beatles - it was obviously a combination that worked. Ringo wasn't the best drummer in The Beatles (Paul was) and the Stones' longtime producer (Jimmy Miller) had to be pressed into service to play stuff that Charlie couldn't. Charlie dismissed Miller's abilities as a drummer, but that's as strange a cat as there is in rock and roll history.
Take away Peart's contribution as Rush's main lyricist for a moment. Maybe you don't like flashy drumming. Lots of folks don't. But, on a technical level, Peart made up stuff that others had to scramble to try to copy. He is an elite technical drummer. Now that's not absolutely required - as stunning a musician as Moon was, he was technically very sloppy - poor at timekeeping, but it works because he was so dazzling at times and was partnered with Ox.
That's just how music works. Let me put it this way - virtually no other band would have paid Charlie Watts to play drums for them. Almost anyone would take Neil Peart in his prime.
That's not apples to oranges, that's apples to plutonium.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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Take away Peart's contribution as Rush's main lyricist for a moment. Maybe you don't like flashy drumming. Lots of folks don't. But, on a technical level, Peart made up stuff that others had to scramble to try to copy. He is an elite technical drummer. Now that's not absolutely required - as stunning a musician as Moon was, he was technically very sloppy - poor at timekeeping, but it works because he was so dazzling at times and was partnered with Ox.
That's just how music works. Let me put it this way - virtually no other band would have paid Charlie Watts to play drums for them. Almost anyone would take Neil Peart in his prime.
That's not apples to oranges, that's apples to plutonium.
Rush made a three member band sound like an orchestra. It's amazing how they played at a consistently high level for so many years
Xanadu
I think this was their magnum opus.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Rush made a three member band sound like an orchestra. It's amazing how they played at a consistently high level for so many years
Lifeson gets overlooked on lots of lists because his 2 band mates were prodigies at 3 different instruments. He gets lost in the shuffle as just another "great guitarist" from that era. But, he always held up his end of the songs - no easy feat when you're dealing with the other 2.
Just as I implied earlier about Journey - Schon is a legitimate guitar hero, but he gets overlooked (as do Rolie, Smith, and, to a certain degree Cain) because the songs were very pop friendly and they drew lots of female fans.
Perry was a great front man with a great voice, but he is usually the only one to get kudos from music snobs who are otherwise intent on hating the band.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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Lifeson gets overlooked on lots of lists because his 2 band mates were prodigies at 3 different instruments. He gets lost in the shuffle as just another "great guitarist" from that era. But, he always held up his end of the songs - no easy feat when you're dealing with the other 2.
Yeah, I think Alex is extremely underrated.
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Just as I implied earlier about Journey - Schon is a legitimate guitar hero, but he gets overlooked (as do Rolie, Smith, and, to a certain degree Cain) because the songs were very pop friendly and they drew lots of female fans.
Yes. In fact, Schon was the star of the group until the 80's when Perry began to get most of the recognition.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:08 pm to BilJ
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I vote frick yes
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:07 pm to Cdawg
at the very least they should be in the Rock and Roll HOF. That's just a fact.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:55 pm to BilJ
quote:Journey is just as good as many members of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
at the very least they should be in the Rock and Roll HOF. That's just a fact.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Rush made a three member band sound like an orchestra. It's amazing how they played at a consistently high level for so many years
I don't care for Geddy's vocals, that is what holds me back from being more of a fan of Rush. No mention of ZZ Top in this thread? Journey was just OK for me, really more into hard rock at the time, and they have had so many lineup changes it's hard to say how they shake out unless one is only looking at record sales.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:42 pm to BilJ
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Rock and Roll HOF.
A bigger joke than the MLB hall of fame.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:32 pm to nc14
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it.
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Yes you are. How would you like to measure your ignorance? Where are they now? What have you done for me lately? It's a fricking drum, a monkey can do it.
Yep, now I know for a FACT you aren't a drummer or even a musician......therefore your opinion is shite. Hey Monkey Man, do us all a favor....... grab a pair of sticks and play Tom Sawyer for us. How long do you think it would take you to learn to play it correctly? I mean, a monkey could do it after all......
You may need to expand your horizons and listen to some Billy Cobham, Dave Garabaldi, Simon Phillips, Bernard Purdy or Keith Carlock.
I'm afraid you're the guy Mark Twain was speaking about when he said....it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove everyone right.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:55 pm to saint amant steve
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new wave and indie bands (Pixies, The Smiths, The Cure) were better than Journey
Absolutely
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:07 pm to geauxbrown
Should I go to drum line too? You seem to be offended, a tad.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:01 pm to nc14
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Should I go to drum line too? You seem to be offended, a tad.
Never spent a single day in any school band. Try again........ You continue to fail miserably in this thread. BTW, have you learned Tom Sawyer yet.....Monkey Man?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:20 pm to geauxbrown
Trying to be cute with elementary quips? Too many early morning marching band practices and lacking of artful virtuousity! Bang bang, rap a tap tap. Rythmn sticks, you are King.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:01 pm to cincyykid
Steve Perry had a hell of a voice. He still can sing pretty good but he is such a perfectionist that he basically has refused to put himself out there anymore.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 3:37 pm to nc14
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Trying to be cute with elementary guips? Too many early morning marching band practices and lacking of artful virtuousity! Bang bang, rap a tap tap. Rythmn sticks, you are King.
NEVER spent a single day in any school band. BTW...I'm not the person who called drummers "trained monkeys". That sounds like a serious elementary quip if I ever heard one. Fact is, you made an ignorant comment and someone with a little knowledge of the subject called you out. You got busted, take your medicine and let it be.
You chimed in on a subject you obviously know zero about and got your arse tuned up.
Still working on Tom Sawyer? It's okay, you'll be working on it till the day you die. 
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