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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?

Posted on 3/9/18 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by LakeCountryRed
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 7:05 pm to
Garth took Chris Ledoux’s show and made it mainstream
Posted by WAY2GOLSU
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Posted on 3/10/18 at 7:46 pm to
Garth finished it, it was initiated by Kenny Rogers.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/10/18 at 7:56 pm to
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I was talking about this today with a guy at work, and asked him how many Garth songs will be considered 'country classics' in 40-50 years. My opinion is, almost none.


I think "And the Thunder Rolls" will be. "Friends in Low Places" already is a country classic. "Two Pina Coladas", "The Dance", "Rodeo", and "If Tomorrow Never Comes" may be some day.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:29 pm to
Garth Brooks is the GOAT, IMHO. His self titled 1st album is a classic. Tomorrow Never Comes, The Dance, I Know One, Much Too Young To Feel This Damn Old...all these songs are classics and should be the standard of the evolution of country music into its natural descendent: country-pop.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:51 pm to
Ehhh, y'all are reaching


A lot of Garth songs lyrics are still very farm/rodeo in nature

Much too young to fell this damn old, is the best lyrical country song since Waylon
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:54 pm to
quote:


I was talking about this today with a guy at work, and asked him how many Garth songs will be considered 'country classics' in 40-50 years. My opinion is, almost none.


Honestly, one of the worst takes I have ever heard on the entire website

Most of his songs are already 20-25 years old, and if you play them at a party with people who listen to country at all, the people 15-50 can sing almost every word....
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:44 am to
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A lot of Garth songs lyrics are still very farm/rodeo in nature



I don't think that's the point anyone is making. Garth had mega cross over appeal while mostly still holding onto his country/western roots. His first 3 albums are solidly country/western and are classics. His albums after those 3 are a mix of country/western and mainstream pop. And I say that as someone whose favorite Garth song is on his 4th album - Learning To Live Again.

It's not all Garth's fault. He was marketed that way by record producers and country radio. Once his star started dimming, they spent the latter half of the 90's finding the next Garth Brooks, and it killed good country music and lead to where we are today with mainstream country music.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 5:29 pm to
"A worn out tape of Chris Ledoux
Lonely women and bad booze
Seem to be the only friends I've left at all"

That's a great line from a great country song

Garth did not start the downward trend in country IMO....Blake Shelton did and then all of the bro-country that came out after and whomever thought it was good to put in rap cadence .....well......he should be hog whipped .

Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:00 pm to
Always deserves repeating:

Isbell on this topic,

quote:

Hate to break it to y'all, but Nashville didn't "ruin" country music. Lotta good burgers in this town; nobody forcing you to eat McDonald's.

Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:05 pm to
Some of you have such strange taste. Garth Brooks and Alabama are probably the two best country acts since the early 80s.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:21 pm to
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Sus-Scrofa



Isbell, Stapleton, and Sturgill...are trying to salvage country...with Dave Cobb leading the way.

turn off the radio and use that phone you have...find something good...


Garth didn't kill anything.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:29 pm to
everybody in this thread should check out the new album form Whiskey Wolves of the West

you're welcome
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 5:02 pm to
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Honestly, one of the worst takes I have ever heard on the entire website


I hardly need some tennis player attempt to lecture me about music.
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 5:58 pm to
quote:

Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?


No but Florida-Georgia Line, Luke Bryan, and the new pop country did.
Posted by vandelay industries
CSRA
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:35 pm to
No mention of Billy Ray Cyrus? Achy Breaky Heart gave country music a facial it hasn't washed off since.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26989 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:59 pm to
This thread confuses me.

Garth was a first crossover hit guy. He just hit a spot. Seattle was starting but had not taken off. GNR was flailing, Metallica is metal so they arent for everybody.

Garth was putting out good and well written songs. Is he Waylon Jennings? Nope. Was he Florida Georgia Line? Hell no.

Garth had some solid to great songs early on.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 12:57 am to
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I think "And the Thunder Rolls" will be. "Friends in Low Places" already is a country classic. "Two Pina Coladas", "The Dance", "Rodeo", and "If Tomorrow Never Comes" may be some day.


The Dance and Tomorrow Never Comes are definitely already classics
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 6:14 am to
I think the dance is really the only one that deserves the "classic" title.

Much too Young and Wild Horses are incredibly good country songs. I dont think Garth oughta hold the title for pushing country down the tubes. He had a bunch of pop music, shania had more than garth. Whoever said the labels trying to find the next garth ruined it nailed it IMO.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 9:03 am to
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Garth was a first crossover hit guy. He just hit a spot. Seattle was starting but had not taken off. GNR was flailing, Metallica is metal so they arent for everybody.



I'm assuming your first sentence meant to say Garth wasn't the first crossover hit guy, which is true. Even when he came along, country was starting to gain some crossover appeal. Randy Travis had a couple of corssover hits in the late 80's. Reba McEntire had started gaining some traction. And if I remember right, Alan Jackson's first album was popular before Garth's first one was. In fact, I think Garth's first one was widely panned until the first hit off it exploded - forget if it was The Dance or If Tomorrow Never Comes.


A lot of that is off memory, so my memory may be off a bit. But overall I agree with your point - Garth's arrival was perfect timing, and either The Dance or If Tomorrow Never Comes catapulted him into notoriety. Much Too Young was the first single off that record and barely made a blip on the charts.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26989 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 10:00 am to
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assuming your first sentence meant to say Garth wasn't the first crossover hit guy, which is true. Even when he came along, country was starting to gain some crossover appea


No. I knew this was coming. You can go all the way back to Cash for crossover. Conway Twitty did with Make Believe. Elvis crossed the other way with rock songs charting country. Country has crossed over to fill voids when pop music had shitty stretches. Disco. 1980’s before late 82-83.

Garth was the first of my era really to crossover. And most successful. But to lump him in with Bro Country is disingenuous. He can sing, he is capable of writing, he can strum a guitar.

No Fences is a damned good album with well written songs.
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