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TU Rob
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
It's all Mel McDaniel's fault.


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sorantable
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Garth didn't kill country music. Untalented hacks trying to be Garth killed country music.


This is truth. Go back through Garth's discography. There's not a lot of shitty music there. Sure, some of this songs were full of country-folk tropes, but he had a whole lot of really meaningful, well-written songs as well. The guy who blamed Toby Keith is a lot closer to the truth. I'm a guy who wouldn't mind never hearing Garth's voice again TBH, but this thread is dumb.


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KiwiHead
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
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It amazes me when people think pop-country started in the 90s or 2000s.


There were lots who were railing against the Nashville system even as far back as the 1960's. I know Waylon Jennings hated it and Bocephus did as well , thus the birth of the outlaw sound in the 70's.....you forgot Eddy Rabbit


GoldenSombrero
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I remember when he first started and thought to myself, this dude is a clown


Huh? Cause "Much Too Young" and "The Dance" are such terrible pop country songs? People hate on Garth now cause it's cool....just like 10 years ago it was cool for every musician from any genre to say they loved Johnny Cash, etc.

Only thing Garth ever did to country music was make it infinitely more popular.


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devils1854
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
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There were lots who were railing against the Nashville system even as far back as the 1960's. I know Waylon Jennings hated it and Bocephus did as well , thus the birth of the outlaw sound in the 70's.....you forgot Eddy Rabbit


Even before that, you had people like Merle and Buck Owens doing the Bakersfield stuff to go against the Countrypolitan sound coming out of Nashville.

People need to face the facts. Music Row has always been about making money, and to do that, you have to make yourself wanted by mainstream audiences. Its all about selective history with most people.

I remember getting into a huge argument about Patsy Cline one day with someone about a bar. That person just couldnt wrap their head around the fact that she was the pop-country of the time.
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PJinAtl
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To be fair to Denver, I don't think he really ever saw himself as a country music guy. He was more folk than country....soft rock.
John Denver once said (paraphrased) that at one time, country music was called country and western, with the country portion representing the sound and music of the southeast and Appalachians, and the western portion representing Texas, the cowboys, and the western part of the country. This was the part of country and western where John saw himself. By the 1970s, the western portion had gotten lost, or had been forgotten, and so he didn't feel like there was really a place for him in the redefined country music.

I, personally, don't see John Denver as the western/cowboy music archetype. I think, as you said, he is much more of a folk artist, along the lines of an early Dylan (though not to his caliber), Joan Baez, and Peter, Paul & Mary (plus they were the first to have success with Leaving on a Jet Plane).


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KiwiHead
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Even before that, you had people like Merle and Buck Owens doing the Bakersfield stuff to go against the Countrypolitan sound coming out of Nashville.


.....and then they corrupted Buck by making him host of Hee Haw....but his stuff certainly was different at the time as was Merle, who was not always embraced by the Country establishment



GoldenSombrero
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.....and then they corrupted Buck by making him host of Hee Haw


Dude Hee Haw was awesome


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91TIGER
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Country noise has always been soulless. Garth just made it more popular among the redneck populace.




WTF are you talking about ?

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Broke
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Member since Sep 2006
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
I watched some band called New Dominion or Old Dominion on TV this morning. What a huge bag of shite country music has become.


FightinTigersDammit
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Old Dominion


I DVR'd them a while back, just to check them out. My God, they suck ass.


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AUCE05
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
I am on the fence about Garth. Yes, he had some pop tendency. But he was a fantastic song writer and singer. These bro guys are no talent arse clowns.


Blastoise
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
I'm actually interested what country fans have to say about this.

I'm not a country fan. But I'm 30 and grew up in Louisiana (in Seattle now) so of course I grew up listening to Garth Brooks at Barbeques and crawfish boils and have always really liked him. Mainly the hits; I haven't dug too deep in the guy's catalogue - mostly because I'm just not into the genre.

I drove to Spokane last November to see him and his show was great. Like, technically his band is fantastic and he played all the hits and worked the crowd, took requests, the whole thing. It was quite the show. But as I reflected on the concert over the next couple days, I realized what many of you probably realized about him in the 90s when I was 10 - everything about Garth Brooks is predicated on putting on a good act. Listening to the content of his songs really drove home how poppy and impersonal most of his songs are. They sound like bull shite cowboy/western/rural America tropes that he only he really doesn't seem a part of. He's so ...suburban. He has never really struck me as a real "country guy" in the traditional sense.

He writes the songs that people want to hear, plays them the way they want them to be played, and is centrally focused on entertaining moreso than expressing himself. He's polished. He's funny and full of energy and he patronizes the crowd so well. He's not the first guy to put on that shtick and he obviously hasn't been the last (it's grown fricking exponentially since then), but I'd say he has a role in it's proliferation. I still like his music and enjoyed the show, but I kind of agree with many of you that Garth did signal a sort of shift in the quality/style of country music.



GoldenSombrero
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He writes the songs that people want to hear, plays them the way they want them to be played, and is centrally focused on entertaining moreso than expressing himself.


I personally have no problem with this. I'm sure their are a million artists across all genre's that are better at expressing themselves thru music, but that doesn't mean I like it or find it entertaining.

One of my favorites from Garth is called "Cold Shoulder", it's about a truck driver that wishes he was at home instead of hugging this ole cold shoulder. I doubt Garth was ever a long-haul trucker, and neither am I, but still I still like the song.



FightinTigersDammit
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
I was talking about this today with a guy at work, and asked him how many Garth songs will be considered 'country classics' in 40-50 years. My opinion is, almost none.


chrome_daddy
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
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Country noise has always been soulless.


What you're trying to say is you've never listened to any John Cash live prison music with a Bud in your hand. I pity you.


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Pettifogger
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
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I personally have no problem with this. I'm sure their are a million artists across all genre's that are better at expressing themselves thru music, but that doesn't mean I like it or find it entertaining.



exactly

I get bored with music that is excessively simple or unoriginal, but I similarly get bored with music that is original and inventive and "interesting" but not very enjoyable to listen to


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finchmeister08
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
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Kinky Friedman called Garth Brooks the anti-Hank. A very apt description.

Hate Garth all you want, but I bet every last one of you LSU fans sing "Callin' Baton Rouge" when played in Tiger Stadium.


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The Spleen
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Member since Dec 2010
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re: Did Garth Brooks Rip Country Music's Soul Out?
He kind of set the stage, but really it's the record producers that spent much of the 90's looking for the next Garth Brooks that killed country music. The mid to late 90's was just a train of male one-hit wonders with no soul to their music. Then Kenny Chesney came around and ripped off Jimmy Buffett to further drag it down.


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The Spleen
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But he was a fantastic song writer



He didn't write hardly any of his big hits. He helped write some of them, but they were mostly written by Tony Arata, Pat Alger, Kent Blazy, or some other person.

I think Not Counting You is the only "hit" single he wrote himself, and that song is terrible.


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