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re: WSJ: Disney concerned with Star Wars in wake of The Last Jedi
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:20 am to Breesus
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:20 am to Breesus
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Kylo and Snoke were set up to be tremendous additions to Star Wars villainy.
Not saying they wouldn't be good villains, but I don't think they would ever top The Emperor and Vader.
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:28 am to RedPants
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:33 am to RedPants
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Luke, Han, and Leia are tGOAT trinity in movie history. You can't include them and expect the people in the theater to care more about Rey, Poe and Finn.
TFA should've been the second movie of the trilogy.
The first movie should've been Luke training the new Jedi and training Kylo and Kylo falling to the dark side with Snoke.
Hell that could've been its own amazing trilogy.
1st movie: Luke builds a new temple and start training new Jedi.
2nd Movie: Snoke beings to tempt Kylo and Luke senses the problem. Movie ends with Luke attempting to kill Kylo in his sleep.
3rd Movie: Kylo founds the Knights of Ren and he and Snoke bring the First Order to Power.
New trilogy.
First Movie: TFA.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:37 am to Breesus
Spot on post. When the most compelling things about your new trilogy are the questions we now have about what happened before TFA, you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:37 am to Breesus
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Somewhere some nameless WB executives are thanking their friends that work at Disney for making people forget their handling of the DCEU.
A good comparison, although it happened earlier in the film sequence, is Man of Steel. That shows an equal lack of love to the characters and lore that TLJ did.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:42 am to Freauxzen
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A good comparison, although it happened earlier in the film sequence, is Man of Steel. That shows an equal lack of love to the characters and lore that TLJ did.
If you had told me back in October that I'd end up liking Justice League more than Last Jedi, I would have spit in my palm then open hand slapped you across your face.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:42 am to Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:44 am to DelU249
I think if anyone else had tried to do what Ledger did, it would have come across are cartoonish... Oh yeah, that happened in Suicide Squad. 
Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:46 am to Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 10:52 am to ell_13
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:10 am to DelU249
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think they should have honestly just picked up at a time way after or before, with all new characters and told an entirely different story the original big 3 shouldn't have returned. star wars was great, those movies will never die, but let's leave them alone and do something new and different in the same universe. let's be unburdened by the greatness of the original trilogy and the awfulness of the prequel trilogy.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:22 am to DelU249
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everyone tried to copy "the dark knight"...but it wasn't that it was dark.
It was that it was a really well made movie with a competent and established director, an extremely solid cast, and a solid script. It also paid attention to and honored its fans and source material without being cheesy or pandering.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:37 am to Breesus
of course, I don't know if it's as memorable or great without him
but that's my point from earlier
he took a conceptual risk with the joker (and bane in the next one) but the batman fanatics loved it...because it's a well made movie and good script. the defeated luke skywalker could be accepted...if done by someone who isn't a complete hack
the man of steel sucked because well it sucked, but the shite people say was pooing on superman was more him trying to copy the dark knight. it can work in theory
the last jedi makes me wonder if rian Johnson saw the OT for the first time right after being hired but only kind of paid attention here and there because he was doing dishes and talking to someone on speaker phone. how else can you explain yoda in that scene? frick that, how I can't rationalize any part of that scene. or just the general lack of reverence for star wars such as luke tosses the lighsaber, luke is blowing an alien, mary poppins carrie fisher...that kind of stuff makes me wonder if he ever saw star wars at all really.
but that's my point from earlier
he took a conceptual risk with the joker (and bane in the next one) but the batman fanatics loved it...because it's a well made movie and good script. the defeated luke skywalker could be accepted...if done by someone who isn't a complete hack
the man of steel sucked because well it sucked, but the shite people say was pooing on superman was more him trying to copy the dark knight. it can work in theory
the last jedi makes me wonder if rian Johnson saw the OT for the first time right after being hired but only kind of paid attention here and there because he was doing dishes and talking to someone on speaker phone. how else can you explain yoda in that scene? frick that, how I can't rationalize any part of that scene. or just the general lack of reverence for star wars such as luke tosses the lighsaber, luke is blowing an alien, mary poppins carrie fisher...that kind of stuff makes me wonder if he ever saw star wars at all really.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:40 am to DelU249
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the last jedi makes me wonder if rian Johnson saw the OT for the first time right after being hired
You think there's a chance he saw it at all? Ever? That's more credit than I give him.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:41 am to Breesus
I honestly don't know
he copies so many images, scenarios, and uses our expectations for cheap shocks. so he's seen it, but then yoda is a goof and he doesn't seem to know why his yoda aside from being wrong was a total contradiction of the mythology of the movie, mostly established by yoda himself
the movie feels like a practical joke when I think about it sometimes.
he copies so many images, scenarios, and uses our expectations for cheap shocks. so he's seen it, but then yoda is a goof and he doesn't seem to know why his yoda aside from being wrong was a total contradiction of the mythology of the movie, mostly established by yoda himself
the movie feels like a practical joke when I think about it sometimes.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:56 am to Breesus
last thing because I need to let it go: the movie sucks
in empire, ford went to get molded for the carbon freeze prop. he just lied down very still. prop came back and kershner made him go do it again. he wanted him to look like he was struggling because han solo wouldn't just accept his fate like that so it wouldn't look real. it would stick out...
and rian Johnson had yoda show up acting goofy and burn down the last remnants of the jedi order.
and it didn't stick out to him that ghost yoda
1. wouldn't need a cane
2. need rest his weary bones by sitting down
3. would already know that rey took the books
4. was there to stop luke from doing what he did 2 minutes later
and then i'm told by hipsters blogging for forbes on the internet that this movie is too smart for me and better than the empire strikes back
in empire, ford went to get molded for the carbon freeze prop. he just lied down very still. prop came back and kershner made him go do it again. he wanted him to look like he was struggling because han solo wouldn't just accept his fate like that so it wouldn't look real. it would stick out...
and rian Johnson had yoda show up acting goofy and burn down the last remnants of the jedi order.
and it didn't stick out to him that ghost yoda
1. wouldn't need a cane
2. need rest his weary bones by sitting down
3. would already know that rey took the books
4. was there to stop luke from doing what he did 2 minutes later
and then i'm told by hipsters blogging for forbes on the internet that this movie is too smart for me and better than the empire strikes back
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:26 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Not saying they wouldn't be good villains, but I don't think they would ever top The Emperor and Vader.
Probably not top them but a young kid of the Dark Side obsessed with his grandfather, Darth Vader, could have been a really interesting character arc.
Instead they said, "take off that stupid mask" and made Kylo suddenly want to forget all of that "bullshite" from TFA.
Snoke was supposedly an ancient Dark Side villain with supreme powers. That introduction fit well with the further exploration of the Force through Luke on the ancient Jedi planet with the ancient Jedi books.
Instead they said, "Nah, Snoke isn't really anybody. Don't worry about it. Here he is cut in half."
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:29 pm to Das Jackal
quote:I'm not even interested in THIS movie!
They should be concerned. Rian Johnson did accomplish one thing I never thought possible...he made me uninterested in the next Star Wars movie.
I was pumped to go watch it, but I started to see the reviews that were coming out about it.
I couldn't believe it and did a little research on plot spoilers... and now, I've even talked my wife out of going to watch it too.
frick these guys.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:35 pm to StringedInstruments
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Snoke was supposedly an ancient Dark Side villain with supreme powers. That introduction fit well with the further exploration of the Force through Luke on the ancient Jedi planet with the ancient Jedi books.
After playing Battlefield II, Luke saying he just went there to die makes even less sense. The campaign of that game takes place in the months following ROTJ, and it shows Luke even then searching for ancient Jedi artifacts. Within the same 30 day span they put out content that contradicts each other.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 12:36 pm
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