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re: Worst deus ex machina moment in a movie?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:47 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:47 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Dante’s Peak. The volcano just stops erupting.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:50 pm to Vols&Shaft83
SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE - ticked me off when I saw it in the theater. Lois dies and superman reverses the spin of the earth - which would just, I dunno, destroy the entire planet. Instead it... reverses time and she's alive again and he saves her.
AVENGERS - a 'do over' time travel brings half the people who died back to life in a 2-part DEM saga.
ELEKTRA - instead of a prequel that makes sense it opens with 30 minutes of bringing her back to life. But... if they can do that what are the stakes of the rest of the movie? "She might get killed... but that doesn't matter!" Oops.
SHE-HULK series. SHE-HULK breaks 4th wall in series climax, goes into the Disney Plus menu, and then into the writers' room to tell them their show was crap only to find out a computer created all the Marvel movies. Uh, yeah.
TWILIGHT climaxes with a mega-battle between werewolves and vampires BUT... the fight was just imagined by one of the character so they don't really need to fight. Movie over. Wtf?
AVENGERS - a 'do over' time travel brings half the people who died back to life in a 2-part DEM saga.
ELEKTRA - instead of a prequel that makes sense it opens with 30 minutes of bringing her back to life. But... if they can do that what are the stakes of the rest of the movie? "She might get killed... but that doesn't matter!" Oops.
SHE-HULK series. SHE-HULK breaks 4th wall in series climax, goes into the Disney Plus menu, and then into the writers' room to tell them their show was crap only to find out a computer created all the Marvel movies. Uh, yeah.
TWILIGHT climaxes with a mega-battle between werewolves and vampires BUT... the fight was just imagined by one of the character so they don't really need to fight. Movie over. Wtf?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:51 pm to Vols&Shaft83
The Abyss - the entire crew of the diving platform should be dead from the bends at the end, but “they must’ve done something to us”. 
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:53 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Oh, here's one ofr thought and debate:
Was the ending of NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN a deus ex machina?
Your 500-word essay must be submitted by the beginning of our next class.
Was the ending of NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN a deus ex machina?
Your 500-word essay must be submitted by the beginning of our next class.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:21 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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The Return of the King- The fricking eagles, man.
The Eagles are essentially semi-angelic beings in LOTR and are controlled/guided by the king of the Valar, Manwe (aka high angels bound to the Earth until its end).
He and the other Valar had a rule to stay out of the conflict but he did send the Eagles at the very end to assure the final destruction of Sauron, who continued the same evil as Morgoth, which had plagued Earth since the very beginning.
Is is Dues ex machina? Sure. But it's also basically only used to push the good over the edge against the evil at the very finale after eons of battling... So it wasn't exactly like it happened all the time.
As for the Eagle picking up Gandalf... Well Gandalf was a divine being as well.. So protecting their own and such, ya know.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:39 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The lightspeed ending in Last Jedi.
What’s sad is that they even had a way to explain it.
Just say that deflectors can stop that… only for the hacker character to have launched a virus that drops the deflectors. He was only hoping to get the frick out of there in the confusion, not knowing the rebels were about to go all kamikaze on them in their own desperation diversion tactic.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:40 pm to HodsonTiger13
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SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE - ticked me off when I saw it in the theater. Lois dies and superman reverses the spin of the earth - which would just, I dunno, destroy the entire planet. Instead it... reverses time and she's alive again and he saves her.
He doesn’t reverse the spin, it’s a device to show that time is rewinding as he goes backward.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:28 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I thought the eagles were a much bigger DEM in the Hobbit. I mean seriously, didn’t everyone know what was going to happen once they got into the trees?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:46 pm to Vols&Shaft83
So is your issue with the deus, the machina, or the ex?
The "worst moments" you listed are each part of a fictional story. I try to enjoy stuff personally. This guys mad at the eagles. Lol
The "worst moments" you listed are each part of a fictional story. I try to enjoy stuff personally. This guys mad at the eagles. Lol
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:36 am to HodsonTiger13
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God saves the day in RAIDERS OF THE LAST ARK.
There’s really not a better example of “god out of the machine” than God literally saving the day.
But I if by “worst” you mean it doesn’t work then you’re wrong.
If by “worst” you mean the MOST “god out of the machine” then this is it.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:19 am to Vols&Shaft83
Isn't it the Karate Kid? 
The doctor says he's done, Ali and his Mom basically give their last respects.
Then Miyagi gives him a magical Indian burn and his ACL is repaired. Damn surgery, just rub your hands together, faster, faster.
I mean they sell that scene that he's done and then we get an act of God, or more specifically Miyagi's warm hands.
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In medicine, the phrase is often used for supposedly "magical remedies" which are not likely to work in practice.
The doctor says he's done, Ali and his Mom basically give their last respects.
Then Miyagi gives him a magical Indian burn and his ACL is repaired. Damn surgery, just rub your hands together, faster, faster.
I mean they sell that scene that he's done and then we get an act of God, or more specifically Miyagi's warm hands.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:42 am to skrayper
Why is time rewinding?
I'm glad he didn't move the planet but why does his flying super fast affect the universe?
I'm glad he didn't move the planet but why does his flying super fast affect the universe?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:50 am to Ash Williams
I'm a fan of RAIDERS and was a bit tongue in cheek but it is my favorite example.
The "Worst" for me (and I just cannot remember the film) you're watching the whole film waiting for the hero to battle the villain. But then the villain is killed by a random person -basically an extra. Wtf! I've seen it but can't place the movie.
The "Worst" for me (and I just cannot remember the film) you're watching the whole film waiting for the hero to battle the villain. But then the villain is killed by a random person -basically an extra. Wtf! I've seen it but can't place the movie.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:46 am to HodsonTiger13
Did you like the aim that Rose had when she swung a axe for basically the first time, and hit the 6" chain perfectly on Jacks hand cuffs in Titanic just as the ice cold water that was killing everyone else was rising up about over their heads
On the first try.
On the first try.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:47 am to HodsonTiger13
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I'm glad he didn't move the planet but why does his flying super fast affect the universe?
He’s just traveling backwards in time. I mean from his perspective time is rewinding.
The visual metaphor is clumsy, but that’s what is happening.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:02 am to Vols&Shaft83
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C) The Return of the King- The fricking eagles, man.
A worse example in this movie is the green army who wins the battle for them
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:14 am to Ash Williams
God didn’t win the war. The Nazis in question mocked Him and FAd with the Ark and found out. The small group of bad guys paid for their folly. Don’t see it as DEM situation
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:39 am to BabysArmHoldingApple
quote:and erased the entire protagonists’ arc without any influence from the protagonists. Classic deus ex
The Nazis in question mocked Him and FAd with the Ark and found out.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:43 am to Vols&Shaft83
quote:That was the first Superman film. Defying physics is what Superman does. The comics character had been traveling past light speed and time traveling for decades by that point. They had even foreshadowed the event by having Jor-el give a lesson in time travel.
Superman II- Superman suddenly gains the ability to defy several laws of physics. Flying faster than light speed, reversing time, preventing the events of the entire 3rd act from ever taking place.
Was it a lazy and badly used plot device? Sure. As in Endgame, it hung over the franchise as a cheat that lessened the drama that followed. In the comics you have the caveat of “time travel to the past will destroy your present.” The movies shy away from that hard lesson.
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