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re: Wokeness in movies/TV. How does it affect your viewing experience?

Posted on 9/4/22 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28417 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 4:33 pm to
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bullshite. You can tell that those two wanted absolutely nothing to do with each other physically. The hugs were weird and odd and there was just no chemistry whatsoever between those two. It was awkward

I didn't get that impression at all. Me thinks you're seeing what you want to see.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69861 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 5:31 pm to
I admit, I must be shallow and vindictive. I have changed since the who woke BS got started a few years back starting with all the racial crap.

I cant help it, it has changed me

Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27133 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 7:13 pm to
It doesn’t.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
31839 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 7:49 pm to
I’ve said this in numerous threads:

If you’re going to race swap (Bridgerton, WoT) or throw out a few racism/patriarchy/LGBTQ comments (WoT, GoT:HoD) and leave it alone, I’ll roll my eyes and move on.

If you’re going to beat me over the head with it (she-hulk) I’ll take my eyeballs elsewhere.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 8:19 pm to
If it permeates the entire show, I stop watching. If it's a stupid storyline they do just so go appease higher ups I get annoyed but don't care.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39032 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 8:59 pm to
It affects the viewing experience if its forced for no reason related to the story.

Out of nowhere in the middle of the story agenda driven scenes are annoying simply from a moviegoer perspective. It's too obvious, sticks out like a sore thumb and there's no reason but for the writers having a mandate or requirement.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62902 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 9:28 pm to
It ruins nearly every show or movie they force it into.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62902 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 9:29 pm to
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Out of nowhere in the middle of the story agenda driven scenes are annoying simply from a moviegoer perspective. It's too obvious, sticks out like a sore thumb and there's no reason but for the writers having a mandate or requirement.



Like the female battle scene in Avengers Endgame. Totally broke the immersion and took the audience out of the battle. They made no effort to make it organic at all. Just POOF! All the chicks are together now by total happenstance.
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Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63327 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 9:42 pm to
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Leia is the exact kind of female character you hate.

This statement proves that you are kinda dumb. Or just a little cheerleader a-hole. Or yeah, both.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
34488 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 6:56 am to
An excessive number of new threads on the subject certainly affects my reading experience.
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
2652 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:12 am to
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How does it affect your viewing experience?


Negatively. It can backfire pretty badly.

Recent example: in Five Days at Memorial, there's an incident where a kid brings his grandmother into the hospital and says that his mom (her daughter) stabbed her. My thought was, yeah, that probably happened, but I don't think the people involved looked like that.

My next thought was sadness that simply changing the race of these people turned an implausible story into a very relatable one. I don't think that's the reaction the people who made the show wanted, but it felt inevitable.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6603 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:35 am to
If it makes sense within the storyline and isn't distracting, I can usually live with it. If it's calling attention loudly to itself - which they usually do - I find better ways to spend my time.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11089 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:43 am to
I won’t watch. It’s that simple.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19220 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:20 am to
I really depends on the situation. A lot of what we’re seeing now is so forced it takes you out of the story. For instance, the women assemble part in the final battle of Endgame was blatant pandering in a series that had no shortage of strong women characters.

Then you look at a film like Maverick…with a strong and competent female pilot….and it came across as natural. Disney would’ve inserted a lesbian relationship and have her besting Maverick at every chance…which would’ve blown it.

And then you get to the absurd with black elves or black Vikings. This is akin to a period piece with a black Queen Elizabeth….or a Zulu redo with white Zulu warriors. It’s just dumb pandering and disruptive to the immersion .

As opposed to a movie like 13th Warrior which wrote in a main character from the ME but did so smartly. Hell, even Costner’s shitty Robin Hood did a better job of working in Morgan Freeman’s character to be believable and likeable.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 8:36 am
Posted by MardiGrasRazorback
Shreveport, LA
Member since Feb 2011
448 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:06 am to
LOL at using Blazing Saddles as an example of “non-woke” film making.

I hope wokeness in film and television gets worse so some of you continue to get so bent out of shape you create more and more threads about it and throw around the term “snowflake” with absolutely no irony.

Good. Lord.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:25 am to
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Wokeness in movies/TV. How does it affect your viewing experience?


I've stopped watching the vast majority of newly created things. If a studio trumpets it's DEI policy, it's a nonstarter for me, because they are telling me up front that they care more about checking boxes than entertaining me...which is the only reason they exist as far as I'm concerned.

If there's a new thing I'm half way interested in I'll catch a few reviews from people I tend to agree with who can act as tase testers and if they seem to like it I'll give it a shot. If they hate it, I'll pass entirely and not give the thing a click, watch, download, or ticket purchase.

In the end, these are all wants not needs, so it's super easy to just ignore it entirely.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:32 am to
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How can you depict an LGBTQ character without showing their behavior of being attracted to a particular gender/sex? You can't. You have to write-in story-lines and/or dialogue that make it clear as day to the audience that a character is LGBTQ. It takes time, you have to film particular scenes, you have to write in particular dialogue, you have to hire actors/actresses to act in those scenes, you have to rehearse everything, find sets/backgrounds that fit the story, etc.


This is a great point and it's why so many of these diversity characters are written so badly. Take superheroes.

With the typical straight while male superhero of the past, the only actually thing you could do as a writer to make a story with that character interesting would be to create a fully fleshed out character, interesting villains, lots of action, etc. You could not rely on WHO or WHAT the character is to fill space or to make them "interesting" because of their sex or race or sexual orientation. So what you get now are completely flat characters where the most important thing about them is their sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. It's the entire reason they exist and it a crutch used by shitty writers.

And it's why classic heroes still hold up...because you can't just talk about Batman's race or the girl he's fricking to make it seem like he's interesting. You actually have to have a good story to place him in.
Posted by Jsand43
Member since May 2021
882 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:04 am to
SUB's analogy is spot on
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62902 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:14 am to
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I hope wokeness in film and television gets worse so some of you continue to get so bent out of shape you create more and more threads about it and throw around the term “snowflake” with absolutely no irony.


Soo...you want all studios to go bankrupt? Weird flex, but ok.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:56 am to
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Sammy’s people are working hard to change that. You’re not supposed to notice. If you notice, they’ll tell you you’re wrong. If they can no longer deny that it’s happening, they’ll tell you that it’s a good thing.



No, Binger would simply slander you as a racist. He's a piece of shite.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 10:57 am
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