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Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:39 pm to
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Do you think if the Raj would have been upfront and said, 'Hey, we want to throw a community in up here' this all would have been avoided?


I don't know. I do think a community, the county in this case, should have the right to choose before a master planned city, intended to eventually number over 50,000 people, is suddenly plopped down in the middle of their county. The Raj didn't believe they had this right and poisoned 750 in a vote suppression scheme, so I'm not very sympathetic when they crow about their constitutional rights.
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:53 pm to
Watched an hour or two documentary on them years ago on History or Discovery channel. I knew all the major things that happened but didn't really know the whole story until now. Amazes me how the three former cult members they are interviewing for this are still very positive pretty about the Rajneesh and their time at the commune.
Great documentary so far.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:00 pm to
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I don't know. I do think a community, the county in this case, should have the right to choose before a master planned city, intended to eventually number over 50,000 people, is suddenly plopped down in the middle of their county.


I agree. I'll add, I believe the Raj could have brought value to the area. They seemed to attract intelligent people, allbeit, highly devoted.

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The Raj didn't believe they had this right and poisoned 750 in a vote suppression scheme, so I'm not very sympathetic when they crow about their constitutional rights.


Surely wasn't their intention at the start of the idea, at least I hope not. They were all caught up in the hysteria and thought everyone would be thrilled to join them. Or stupid not to.

Queen Sheela let it all get to her head. Real quick.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:09 pm to
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Surely wasn't their intention at the start of the idea, at least I hope not. They were all caught up in the hysteria and thought everyone would be thrilled to join them. Or stupid not to.

Queen Sheela let it all get to her head. Real quick.

Agreed. I think Sheela was the guiding hand in all that and I thought she came across as extremely narcissistic, almost beyond belief. At the end when they asked her if she felt bad about poisoning all those people her response was "People get sick every day. Why would I feel bad?".

I think things would have been profoundly different for the whole community had she not been so incredibly antagonistic. They might still be in Pasco County today if the guru had reigned her in. A lot of those folks seemed like decent, if eccentric, people and her rise to power pretty much doomed the commune.
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:12 pm to
I felt like it really dragged a lot. Watched all of it but it should have been 3 episodes max. Also, there should have been much more focus on the tenets of the cult itself and many of its followers, rather than literally like 4. It's really not about Bhagwan at all, it's 90% about Sheela. Must be the only cult in history where the number two person was more evil than the cult leader. I also felt they gave 85% speaking time to the cult and 15% to the townies.

I absolutely hated the confusing and non-linear style of the documentary. I mean I love Twin Peaks and Lynch films, but when I'm watching a documentary I don't want to feel like I'm watching Inland Empire and can't tell what year it is and what is happening in order because of all the time jumps.

I'd give it a C- overall. Interesting but I've seen many better documentaries on cults like Jonestown and they were done in a way where there was much less ambiguity about what all was actually going on.

That Niren guy was as annoying as Sheela, if not more so.

And how is legally okay for Sheela to run nursing homes in Switzerland when she served time for poisoning and attempted murder?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:20 pm to
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I also felt they gave 85% speaking time to the cult and 15% to the townies.

They also left out critical information, like the fact that the hotel was bombed by Paki terrorists. Just watching the doc you would assume that it was the local Oregonians.

They also neglected to ask Sheela any truly hard questions. How about the mass poisoning, the assassination plots and attempts, drugging the homeless, the secret bio labs? They didn't ask her about any of those.

I definitely got the impression that the filmmaker was sympathetic to the Raj.

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That Niren guy was as annoying as Sheela, if not more so.

Is that the lawyer? I really disliked that guy.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 11:25 pm
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
25049 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:27 pm to
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They also left out critical information,


Very true and there also seemed to be ambiguity about how many members came and lived at the commune. One local said hundreds of thousands, which sounds unlikely, but another said around 6000, or 6000 homeless plus those alresdy there.

I think the only way to get Sheela to participate was to kiss her arse for the most part, but that's lazy filmmaking, IMO.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77894 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:39 am to
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I think things would have been profoundly different for the whole community had she not been so incredibly antagonistic.


I haven't finished the series yet, but I agree with this. I do, however, see Sheela as an extension of Osho. She was carrying out his wishes. My opinion is that she is a psychopath as was Osho. Many of the "lieutenants" were similar to the German people under Nazi rule. The did things they would not have done under different circumstances and/or repressed or rationalized them.

I could sort of empathize with the Rajneeshees until they brought in the homeless people, used them the way theat they did, and injected them with antipsychotics without the victims knowledge to "fix" the problem they created. This is where it became apparent to me that this group had moved not only into the cult category but also into the organized crime category. The poisoning, conspiracy to commit murder, and additional white collar crimes were things that the mafia and terrorist organizations do, and there is always a psychopath or group of psyhcopaths in charge.
Posted by WITNESS23
Member since Feb 2010
13863 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 12:46 pm to
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Agreed. I think Sheela was the guiding hand in all that and I thought she came across as extremely narcissistic, almost beyond belief.


Agreed.
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They might still be in Pasco County today if the guru had reigned her in


This is what bugs me. He starts out saying religions are all about giving up this and that and I don't want us to be a new religion and give up sex, etc.
Then proceeds to not talk for 3 years (I think)
He let's Sheela run the people seemingly free reign.

Anyone else give a WTF to that?
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77894 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 1:15 pm to
Typical psychopathic cult leader. He indoctrinates the vulnerable and lets his lieutenants do the dirty work.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 3:12 pm to
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This is what bugs me. He starts out saying religions are all about giving up this and that and I don't want us to be a new religion and give up sex, etc. 
Then proceeds to not talk for 3 years (I think) 
He let's Sheela run the people seemingly free reign. 

Anyone else give a WTF to that?


I didn't view see the Raj as a religion. The only religious aspect of it was them adoring Bhadwan. I saw it as a bunch of people wanting to continue the Hippie movement.
Posted by WITNESS23
Member since Feb 2010
13863 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 3:56 pm to
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didn't view see the Raj as a religion. The only religious aspect of it was them adoring Bhadwan. I saw it as a bunch of people wanting to continue the Hippie movement.


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ThatMakesSense


But really, I agree I was mainly talking about how he was talking shite about religions giving things up, then gives up speaking for 3 years
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19521 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:04 pm to
It was pretty good but I was kind of irritated they coviently left out the fact that the hotel bombing was carried out by a Pakistani radical group. They certainly want the viewer to think it was one of the townspeople.

Sheela and all the other cult members in the doc used the bombing to justify all of their actions afterwards....and it wasn't even done by the people of Antelope

The documentary makers glossing over that bothered me. I still watched it, and episodes 3-5 were really good. But it was pretty obvious the filmmakers had a huge boner for that cult. It was pretty biased.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38338 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:08 pm to
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It was pretty good but I was kind of irritated they coviently left out the fact that the hotel bombing was carried out by a Pakistani radical group. They certainly want the viewer to think it was one of the townspeople.

Yeah, I thought that crossed the line from a simple omission to outright dishonesty. It set up a major false narrative.
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19521 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:08 pm to
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That Niren guy was as annoying as Sheela, if not more so.
He cried, or almost cried, at least 4 or maybe 5 separate times over the course of that documentary. That dude was a complete pussy.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157757 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:17 am to
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It was pretty good but I was kind of irritated they coviently left out the fact that the hotel bombing was carried out by a Pakistani radical group. They certainly want the viewer to think it was one of the townspeople.


I'm sure this was on accident.

It was still a very interesting documentary. I've got one more episode to go.
Posted by BhamBama13
Member since Mar 2011
2209 posts
Posted on 3/26/18 at 3:25 pm to
Finally started this last night. 3 episodes down. Will finish tonight. Riveting
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 3/26/18 at 3:46 pm to
I thought it was pretty good. They could have trimmed some of the bushes though. But it was a different time back then. I did enjoy watching dude roll through Antelope everyday in his 20 Rolls Royces like a Cash Money All Star
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
18198 posts
Posted on 3/26/18 at 4:00 pm to
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Also, there should have been much more focus on the tenets of the cult itself


This is what had me confused as hell. What exactly were the beliefs of the cult besides loving one another and utopian society? Did they/do they believe in any hindu principles (i.e. reincarnation)? The Raj reminded me of "The Mandarin" in the iron man movie.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
5234 posts
Posted on 3/26/18 at 4:10 pm to
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This is what had me confused as hell. What exactly were the beliefs of the cult besides loving one another and utopian society? Did they/do they believe in any hindu principles (i.e. reincarnation)? The Raj reminded me of "The Mandarin" in the iron man movie.



They definitely could have went more in depth, but from what I gathered, he was sort of a modernized hippie in that he was rejecting a lot of the free love, anti-technology, turn the other cheek crap in favor of a more materialistic and scientific approach. He was about "total human optimization." He probably would totally get along with the Tim Ferriss, Tony Robbins, Aubrey Marcus, etc... crowd who are into the nootropics, meditation, working out, etc...

Evidently, now that the tawdry details have started to fade into posterity, his teachings are really starting to pick up a lot of credibility and a following in modern India as well as the rest of the world.

I have some friends who were involved in a somewhat similar cult (Spiritual Human Yoga). As with most cults, the majority of the people involved are well-meaning, "good" people in search of some meaning in their lives. Once you get exposed to the inner workings of these types of organizations, then they can be pretty jacked up. My friends, as they ascended in levels with Spiritual Human Yoga, not only gave more and more of their money to attend meetings, but they also found out such fascinating teachings as the fact that the cult had scientists living in the center of the earth preparing for a Doomsday. It was totally bizarre to see these friends go from relatively normal hippies who were all jazzed on this benign energetic healing to full on wacko cult members who were giving away their last dime to Master Dang and spouting off about crazy shite.

Of course, anyone who has ever attended a Southern Baptist "business" meeting with the deacons after church on a Sunday knows that weird political manipulations and machinations behind closed doors aren't limited to small cults.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 4:13 pm
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