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re: Why piracy is common
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Difference in Music industry and movie industry...
Any music that comes out, I can download, legally, from Amazon/iTunes, etc for a cost. I can also stream it right away from spotify, for a cost.
Amazon is another outlet to get movies with their instant streaming. They carry Game of Thrones, season 1, for a cost. I can pay to watch them without HBO. However, if I want to keep up with Season 2, whats wrong with making it available to Amazon, for a cost...maybe even higher, the day after its initial showing? And just for argument's sake, theatrical releases are a different ballgame all together.
Any music that comes out, I can download, legally, from Amazon/iTunes, etc for a cost. I can also stream it right away from spotify, for a cost.
Amazon is another outlet to get movies with their instant streaming. They carry Game of Thrones, season 1, for a cost. I can pay to watch them without HBO. However, if I want to keep up with Season 2, whats wrong with making it available to Amazon, for a cost...maybe even higher, the day after its initial showing? And just for argument's sake, theatrical releases are a different ballgame all together.
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:11 am to Freauxzen
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People will pay. For convenience. Outside of Netflix, HBOGo may be a step, but it's not convenient. Yet.
how is it not convenient? all you have to do is pay for cable/HBO and it's your's
that's a price issue. not convenience
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Think about someone who doesn't get cable/dvr and they miss a show on network television. If that show is on CBS, what are they supposed to do right now? (The only company that doesn't regularly put their ccontent online in some form).
i understand the scenario you're speaking of, but the networks don't owe us anything. this is speaking of a sense of entitlement
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:11 am to iluvdatiger
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How come cable companies can't let you build your own package? Say basic cable would cost you $36 per month and you could pick your channels that add up to $36 per month. It could be CBS for like $1 or HBO would be like $4 and PPV channels could be like $5. So for example, my tv lineup would be:
1. CBS $1
2. NBC $1
3. FOX $1
4. CNN $1
5. ABC $1
6. HBO $4
7. HBO2 $4
8. ESPN $1
9. Showtime $4
10. Cinemax $4
11. ESPN2 $1
12. VH1 $1
13. MTV $1
14. TBS $1
15. CMT $1
16. MSNBC $1
17. MTV2 $1
18. OWN $1
19. Golf $1
20. PPV1 $5
In theory, this is a great idea, but that business model wouldn't work for cable companies. I worked for a internet/phone/video provider in its infancy and we tossed around this idea. However, the cost of providing this content makes it near impossible to accomplish.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
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I'd say it's the cable companies with the actual quasi government monopoly.
fair enough.
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I think the most culpable here are the cable companies and the influence they yield on the studios,
true, and with streaming via cable internet, their power will become even greater. unintended consequence
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No doubt it's not completely black and white, but Apple had to push hard to get the licensing that no one else had been able to secure. I'd be willing to be that if something like napster hadn't come along and made piracy easy that Apple wouldn't have gotten it's licensing, at least not as early as it did
eh. without the worry over pirating via napster i think studios would have enjoyed the extra revenue
i could be wrong
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:18 am to WikiTiger
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there you go again ignoring realities of the marketplace
No, its you and your hatred for the concept of IP clouding your judgement.
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it's the same attitude that the music industry took for so long until the finally realized that they needed to adapt.
producing a song or an album does not cost anywhere near what it costs to produce a movie or a TV show. No one is saying shows like GOT should never be available on demand or thru streaming or on DVD. it will be and apparently the first season already is. Just not right now, while its brand new. Same with a new release movie. They could just offer Dark Knight Rising on Netflix the weekend it comes out, but that would cut into their box office revenue. did it ever occur to you that the potnetial revenue from offering instant streaming is not as good? And if they revenue goes down, so does the availability of funds to make new risky shows.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:20 am to iluvdatiger
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How come cable companies can't let you build your own package? Say basic cable would cost you $36 per month and you could pick your channels that add up to $36 per month. It could be CBS for like $1 or HBO would be like $4 and PPV channels could be like $5. So for example, my tv lineup would be:
1. CBS $1
2. NBC $1
3. FOX $1
4. CNN $1
5. ABC $1
6. HBO $4
7. HBO2 $4
8. ESPN $1
9. Showtime $4
10. Cinemax $4
11. ESPN2 $1
12. VH1 $1
13. MTV $1
14. TBS $1
15. CMT $1
16. MSNBC $1
17. MTV2 $1
18. OWN $1
19. Golf $1
20. PPV1 $5
They don't do that because they use the bundling model to subsidize all the other channels.
Here's a 3 year old breakdown of what you pay per month for common channels if you have cable. In other words, if you receive any of the channels on the list, whether you watch them or not, you are paying this price (likely higher by now):
It's an antiquated model that will die eventually, but it's not going away without a fight.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:22 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:21 am to H-Town Tiger
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No one is saying shows like GOT should never be available on demand or thru streaming or on DVD. it will be and apparently the first season already is. Just not right now
Sadly, this isn't even true, yet entitled folks still want to argue for pirating the material. Pay for HBO, get HBOGo included. You can then stream current episodes of GOT immediately. It is that simple. The studio/cable company did respond to market pressure for streaming content, and people told them to frick off because they are cheap asses.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:23 am to Pilot Tiger
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the market is saying that people are willing to pay for the product when it's delivered in a conveinent manner. The studios are willfully oblivious to this
No, they are offering it on HBOondemand. Sorry that you guys can't handle the fact that HBO actually wants you to have HBO to watch shows they are paying to create.
If there was soo much demand for GOT, someone should have produced it in sindication.
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Again, the music industry is coming around
Apples and Oranges. The music industry was against digital music to begin with. Not all band offer their catalog for sale digitally. AC/DC for one, is it ok then to steal it?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:25 am to H-Town Tiger
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AC/DC for one, is it ok then to steal it?
I almost asked this earlier, but figured it was pointless. Garth Brooks and Bob Seger aren't available on iTunes. Should I buy the CD from Amazon, or download them illegally?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:25 am to Tiger in NY
What's an hbo subscription per month? 15-20 bucks? Why not just offer hbogo for the same or even slightly higher price tag?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:26 am to WikiTiger
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It's an antiquated model that will die eventually, but it's not going away without a fight.
and the other thing that will die out with it is niche programing.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:26 am to Tiger in NY
quote:no.
Pay for HBO, get HBOGo included.
you have to pay for cable, a cable box, installation. THEN you order HBO for about 16/mo on top of that.
That's not the same thing as offering an HBOGO subscription separately
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:27 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:im against stealing, but I may be against paying money for AC/DC's "music" even more
AC/DC for one, is it ok then to steal it?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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and the other thing that will die out with it is niche programing.
fear mongering
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:28 am to Tiger in NY
No its not ok to steal it. But they need to get with the times or don't expect any sympathy
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:29 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I don't know what im going to do when the Lifetime Real Women channel goes under
the other thing that will die out with it is niche programing.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:29 am to H-Town Tiger
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If there was soo much demand for GOT, someone should have produced it in sindication.
generally it takes a show having 100 episodes or more to go into syndication.
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There are also exceptions if the show becomes famous or has a cult following - "Lost in Space" was syndicated with only 84 episodes, the original "Star Trek" had only 79 episodes, and "The Honeymooners" was syndicated with only 39 episodes produced.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:30 am to SaintEB
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However, if I want to keep up with Season 2, whats wrong with making it available to Amazon, for a cost...maybe even higher, the day after its initial showing
maybe the cost to offer it that way would be too high.
The big point people like Wiki are ignoring is HBO createdthis show. They are a subscription based service. They created the show to entice people to subscribe to their service. If it is as profitable as these guys seem to think to just produce a show and offer it for sale, I'm sure someone can do that.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:32 am to Napoleon
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generally it takes a show having 100 episodes or more to go into syndication.
You are talking about reruns. Shows like Star Trek: TNG were not produced by a network and sold exclusively in syndication.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:33 am to Pilot Tiger
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no.
you have to pay for cable, a cable box, installation. THEN you order HBO for about 16/mo on top of that.
That's not the same thing as offering an HBOGO subscription separately
To watch DVD's you have to pay for a DVD player and electricty and a TV.
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