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re: Why piracy is common
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:21 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:21 am to Pilot Tiger
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spotify
I think spotify is a great way to put this argument into perspective.
Think of back in the early 90's when CD's were really starting to become popular....and they used to come in those long rectangular boxes....they cost about $18 each, and you got about 12 to 13 songs on average per disc. $120 spent on music in a year would get you about 91 songs at most.
Spotify costs $5 per month for basic, or $10 per month for premium service, and you get access to about 15 million songs. So for $120 per year on music, you get 15 million songs.
The dynamics have changed greatly, and this is great for the consumer. Trust me, the music companies would still prefer the old method, but the market changed and they knew they needed to adapt.
The movie industry needs to do the same thing.
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:25 am to Freauxzen
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Think about someone who doesn't get cable/dvr and they miss a show on network television. If that show is on CBS, what are they supposed to do right now?
Not watch that show then. They have a choice. Watching TV isn't a right. They can get a TV and an antenna or pay for Cable service. That's what they are supposed to do.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:26 am to Tiger in NY
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Not watch that show then. They have a choice. Watching TV isn't a right. They can get a TV and an antenna or pay for Cable service. That's what they are supposed to do.
I'm saying what if they are a regular viewer of a show with their TV and antenna. Then, they miss a single episode. How are they supposed to watch it?
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:27 am to Tiger in NY
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Watching TV isn't a right. They can get a TV and an antenna or pay for Cable service. That's what they are supposed to do.
you're completely missing the point
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:29 am to Freauxzen
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Anyone who goes to extra lengths to get content is a fan, or at least is really excited. The market should be cherishing these people not becoming "annoyed" with them. That's the exact problem with the current market.
The market doesn't cherish people who are unwilling to follow the rules of the free market. There are legal avenues available to watch these shows now. HBOGo was created to cater to the internet market. Entitled people are still not satisfied.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:31 am to Pilot Tiger
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you're completely missing the point
I don't think so. If you miss a show, and there isn't a legal way to watch it. Too bad. You've missed out.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:32 am to Tiger in NY
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Tiger in NY
just want to get your opinion on this since you seem to have a hard on for the media companies:
if I record a show that comes in for free over the air through my antenna, and then I use an automated computer program that goes through and cuts out all the commercials so that I can watch it back later in commercial free glory, am I stealing or a pirate?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:35 am to Tiger in NY
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The market doesn't cherish people who are unwilling to follow the rules of the free market.
You're missing the point though.
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There are legal avenues available to watch these shows now. HBOGo was created to cater to the internet market.
So a fan, someone who has bought the game of thrones series on books. Who might have bought the tabletop RPG/Boardgame, who goes to conventions, posts in forums, interacts with the universe on multiple levels, but doesn't have cable should have to:
1) Subscribe to cable
2) Then pay extra for HBO
Just to watch ONE show? Or wait until the show is out for DVD Months later, missing the interaction with the very fans he already interacts with?
That's the exact problem right now, they aren't catering to people who WANT TO BE FANS. Who want to consume. That's insane.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:36 am to Tiger in NY
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I don't think so. If you miss a show, and there isn't a legal way to watch it. Too bad. You've missed out.
With that kind of thinking, Pirating is ok then. If they want to be that cut and dry about it, then so can the consumer. My watching the show isn't pirating if, again, they don't give the opportunity to consume the content again.
And again, you're attacking the fan WHO WANTS TO CONSUME CONTENT.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:37 am to WikiTiger
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just want to get your opinion on this since you seem to have a hard on for the media companies:
if I record a show that comes in for free over the air through my antenna, and then I use an automated computer program that goes through and cuts out all the commercials so that I can watch it back later in commercial free glory, am I stealing or a pirate?
First off, I do not have a hard on for the media companies. I am torn on this. I do not agree with illegally downloading media personally, but I feel that it is the most valuable market force in this scenario. I am generally for things that cause companies to become more competitive.
If you record a show, you should be able to watch it however you like. You should not be delivering it to others though.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:40 am to Freauxzen
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So a fan, someone who has bought the game of thrones series on books. Who might have bought the tabletop RPG/Boardgame, who goes to conventions, posts in forums, interacts with the universe on multiple levels, but doesn't have cable should have to:
1) Subscribe to cable
2) Then pay extra for HBO
Just to watch ONE show? Or wait until the show is out for DVD Months later, missing the interaction with the very fans he already interacts with?
Pretty much.
Again, I want the system to change, and recognize that pirating may be the only force that will cause that change, so I am conflicted. It is not black and white, even though I am arguing one side of it.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:44 am to Freauxzen
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So a fan, someone who has bought the game of thrones series on books. Who might have bought the tabletop RPG/Boardgame, who goes to conventions, posts in forums, interacts with the universe on multiple levels, but doesn't have cable should have to:
1) Subscribe to cable
2) Then pay extra for HBO
Seeing as the show would not exist if it wasn't for HBO producing it, what makes you think you are entitled to see it, just because you liked the books?
Oh and this complaining about having to get cable to watch HBO. How are you going to watch it on DVD is you don't have a DVD player? How do you plan on getting it via the stream with out internet aaccess?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:46 am to H-Town Tiger
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what makes you think you are entitled to see it
god you people have your heads up your asses.
it's not about anyone being entitled. it's about the realities of the marketplace.
there is a demand. company fails to meet demand. people that demand the product find alternatives.
that is the reality. you can keep denying reality all you want, but if the media companies keep doing it, then they will suffer short term (and maybe long term) for it.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:46 am to Freauxzen
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I can't help but think there's at least some small defense there.
No, sorry, no one is obligated to bring a product to market. If there is not enough demand to justify the cost in one market, then they are not going to offer the product in that market. If there isn't enough demand where you live, that does not entitle you to steal it.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:55 am to WikiTiger
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god you people have your heads up your asses.
it's not about anyone being entitled. it's about the realities of the marketplace.
Go read Freaux's comment that I was responding to before you chime in with this. I don't give a frick who is a fan of the books, HBO paid to produce the show and they are entitled to make a profit off of it.
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there is a demand. company fails to meet demand. people that demand the product find alternative.
Sorry, you are wrong, the product is availabe in the marketplace. There is a demand for a show like GOT and HBO is meeting that demand. The problem here is some of you don't like the manner in which they are providing it and are whining because it costs too much. That's it. Just because there is technology available that you prefer, does not mean they are obligated to use it. You guys continue to act like offer the show the way you want is cost free to them. Its their product, this is how they are offering it. If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:57 am to H-Town Tiger
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If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
there you go again ignoring realities of the marketplace.
it's the same attitude that the music industry took for so long until the finally realized that they needed to adapt.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:03 am to Freauxzen
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With that kind of thinking, Pirating is ok then. If they want to be that cut and dry about it, then so can the consumer.
That's just silly man, sorry. Aplly that thought process to other products. If I only want 4 hot dogs buns and all they will sell me is 8, is it ok for me to steal the 4 I want? Why not? The product you want is still available. Disney puts movies in the vault from time to time. Is it ok then to steal it?
The point you guys keep missing is it is still their product. They offered it up to you in the market place. you can record a show and watch it later (of course that means you have to buy a DVR or VCR).
Again, just because the techology exists that allows you to watch whenever you want, does not mean its profitable for them to offer it to you that way.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:05 am to WikiTiger
How come cable companies can't let you build your own package? Say basic cable would cost you $36 per month and you could pick your channels that add up to $36 per month. It could be CBS for like $1 or HBO would be like $4 and PPV channels could be like $5. So for example, my tv lineup would be:
1. CBS $1
2. NBC $1
3. FOX $1
4. CNN $1
5. ABC $1
6. HBO $4
7. HBO2 $4
8. ESPN $1
9. Showtime $4
10. Cinemax $4
11. ESPN2 $1
12. VH1 $1
13. MTV $1
14. TBS $1
15. CMT $1
16. MSNBC $1
17. MTV2 $1
18. OWN $1
19. Golf $1
20. PPV1 $5
I think it would make more sense than the way it is set up now where you have people who just aren't even watching tv anymore because they don't want to pay for basic cable that gets them nothing when they can just go online and find a replay of the show?
1. CBS $1
2. NBC $1
3. FOX $1
4. CNN $1
5. ABC $1
6. HBO $4
7. HBO2 $4
8. ESPN $1
9. Showtime $4
10. Cinemax $4
11. ESPN2 $1
12. VH1 $1
13. MTV $1
14. TBS $1
15. CMT $1
16. MSNBC $1
17. MTV2 $1
18. OWN $1
19. Golf $1
20. PPV1 $5
I think it would make more sense than the way it is set up now where you have people who just aren't even watching tv anymore because they don't want to pay for basic cable that gets them nothing when they can just go online and find a replay of the show?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:06 am to H-Town Tiger
the market is saying that people are willing to pay for the product when it's delivered in a conveinent manner. The studios are willfully oblivious to this.
Again, the music industry is coming around
Again, the music industry is coming around
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:08 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:they will eventually start offering it this way, and they'll profit
just because the techology exists that allows you to watch whenever you want, does not mean its profitable for them to offer it to you that way.
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