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Why is it so hard for major movie/tv productions to get the plot believable?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:20 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:20 am
I understand that every piece of fiction can’t have an airtight story, but I am generally stumped when it comes to major productions having big gaps in storylines or characters that make nonsensical decisions just to advance the plot.
One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character, which is just not believable (or even entertaining) in my opinion. Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT. Both of those franchises have plenty of money to throw at good writers. Why did they move forward with such crappy plot lines?
One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character, which is just not believable (or even entertaining) in my opinion. Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT. Both of those franchises have plenty of money to throw at good writers. Why did they move forward with such crappy plot lines?
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:13 am to gorillacoco
The example that always comes to mind for me and will forever irritate the crap out of me is Transcendance.
It had such a cool concept and couldve gone to a super awesome level but they had to totally chicken out and write a completely retarded ending due to an even more retarded conflict in the story.
ugh
It had such a cool concept and couldve gone to a super awesome level but they had to totally chicken out and write a completely retarded ending due to an even more retarded conflict in the story.
ugh
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:05 am to gorillacoco
A camel is a horse by comitee
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:17 am to gorillacoco
Why didn't Frodo and Gandolf fly to Mount Doom on the giant eagles?
Point here is that nearly all stories will have plot holes or at least elements that will be thought of as plot holes.
Point here is that nearly all stories will have plot holes or at least elements that will be thought of as plot holes.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 7:19 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:50 am to gorillacoco
The lack of believability in the Last Jedi was the worst thing about the movie. None of that movie would’ve ever really happened in real life.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:53 am to BlackAdam
Eagles theory assumes they all knew how to contact the Eagles, and that Sauron wouldn’t see the Eagles coming. Which is just ridiculous, Sauron had his riders on the dragons scouring the earth from the skies, but they wouldn’t see a bunch of equally big eagles flying around with riders straight to Mount Doom?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to gorillacoco
I watched Law Abiding Citzen last night and it had enough plot holes to drive a bus through but everything else about it is so enjoyable you just ignore it 
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to biglego
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The lack of believability in the Last Jedi was the worst thing
Why does Holdo have to stay on a ship and sacrifice herself when the ship has autopilot and dozens of droids capable of pointing it at the First Order ship and hitting the gas pedal?
It’s just a horribly written movie.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:56 am to gorillacoco
Movies are usually about things that are extraordinary, so I'd imagine that it is difficult sometimes to write something that is extraordinary but 100% believable at the same time. However, I agree that sometimes its like they aren't even trying.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:08 am to gorillacoco
Why is there gravity in the 3 dream level in Inception? fricking dumb. I expect better from Christopher Nolan.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:11 am to Jester
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Why is there gravity in the 3 dream level in Inception? fricking dumb. I expect better from Christopher Nolan.
Because the dreamer has experienced gravity and the dream can only recreate previous experiences.
It’s pointed about a quarter of the way through the movie
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:24 am to Antonio Moss
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Because the dreamer has experienced gravity and the dream can only recreate previous experiences.
It’s pointed about a quarter of the way through the movie
Then why isn't there gravity in the second level? The kid from 3rd Rock from the Sun has experienced gravity.
The gravity goes away when the van starts falling, thus the dreamer stops feeling the gravity. However, when Bane stops feeling gravity in the second level, his dream is unaffected. However, they also felt the kick from the first dream level, van hits rail -> avalanche in 3rd level.
It's a plot hole whether you are willing to admit it or not.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:28 am to Jester
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Then why isn't there gravity in the second level?
There is gravity. He’s only rolling through walls when the dreamer is spinning due to the car wreck. As the dreamer’s equilibrium spins, so does the dream.
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It's a plot hole whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Maybe you just struggle to follow the movie
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:30 am to Antonio Moss
making movies not documentary films ..... it's not that easy to do especially with studio input and interference.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:33 am to gorillacoco
TFA wasn’t a great movie but it was decent. And the ending scene where you find Luke was pretty epic. Then he tosses the light saber over his shoulder like it’s a fricking Avengers movie. Can you believe that shite. TLJ ruined what could have been a great story for cheap sophomoric humor that every gay arse movie has to have these days to keep the brain dead idiots entertained.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:48 am to Antonio Moss
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There is gravity. He’s only rolling through walls when the dreamer is spinning due to the car wreck. As the dreamer’s equilibrium spins, so does the dream.
What? He rolls along the walls for beginning of the fight, but then the gravity disappears, hence the whole need for him to float all of the next level dreamers into an elevator to create a bump with the charges.
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Maybe you just struggle to follow the movie
And yet you have failed in multiple attempts to explain away the clear flaw I plainly laid out for you.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:05 am to gorillacoco
Sorry you have no imagination
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:14 am to gorillacoco
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Why is it so hard for major movie/tv productions to get the plot believable?
Because, almost by definition, drama, excitement, horror, etc., are not logical operators. Or in short, emotions aren't logical.
So if you are looking to create certain feelings in people, typically you have to operate outside of logic.
Think about any action movie. They revolve completely around the idea of nearly fantastical lucky situations of people surviving multiple moments of death - typically. Even in a kids film when you really watch them. We only get brief feelings of excitement when things get dangerous but the hero escapes.
But the hero must escape, regardless of the logic, because if he dies...there's no movie. So a suspension of disbelief is required to just go with the idea that this teenager - even in a film like Jumanji - just avoided a giant rampaging rhino. Fell off a ledge and avoided getting knocked out, etc.
You wouldn't get excitement if they died, and you wouldn't get excitement if there was no danger.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:11 pm to Freauxzen
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Because, almost by definition, drama, excitement, horror, etc., are not logical operators. Or in short, emotions aren't logical.
So if you are looking to create certain feelings in people, typically you have to operate outside of logic.
Think about any action movie. They revolve completely around the idea of nearly fantastical lucky situations of people surviving multiple moments of death - typically. Even in a kids film when you really watch them. We only get brief feelings of excitement when things get dangerous but the hero escapes.
But the hero must escape, regardless of the logic, because if he dies...there's no movie. So a suspension of disbelief is required to just go with the idea that this teenager - even in a film like Jumanji - just avoided a giant rampaging rhino. Fell off a ledge and avoided getting knocked out, etc.
You wouldn't get excitement if they died, and you wouldn't get excitement if there was no danger.
I agree with this point, but sometimes there are obvious ways to do things and movies seemingly choose not to do it.
One that comes to mind is in Infinity War [Spoiler]
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When Starlord gets mad and hits Thanos thus causing them not to be able to remove the Infinity Gauntlet. That reaction was a completely unrealistic reaction from Starlord no matter how much they try and justify it. No one would do that knowing that he could try and murder the shite out of Thanos immediately after they removed the gauntlet. It's just not a realistic reaction and really didn't advance the story as there are 100s of other ways they could have devised for them to fail getting the infinity gauntlet.
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that's just one of many many examples in movies that make an obvious choice to do something that a realistic character would never do, and it does get frustrating at times.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:16 pm to gorillacoco
I think it’s funny that the two examples you gave were both basically science fiction/fantasy and you’re complaining about believable plots...
You okay with traveling at light speed and dragons, but Luke’s character development is giving you trouble??
You okay with traveling at light speed and dragons, but Luke’s character development is giving you trouble??
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