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re: Why is it so hard for major movie/tv productions to get the plot believable?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:19 pm to gorillacoco
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:19 pm to gorillacoco
The only reason to do a remake.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:43 pm to Tigereye10005
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One that comes to mind is in Infinity War [Spoiler]
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When Starlord gets mad and hits Thanos thus causing them not to be able to remove the Infinity Gauntlet. That reaction was a completely unrealistic reaction from Starlord no matter how much they try and justify it. No one would do that knowing that he could try and murder the shite out of Thanos immediately after they removed the gauntlet. It's just not a realistic reaction and really didn't advance the story as there are 100s of other ways they could have devised for them to fail getting the infinity gauntlet.
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that's just one of many many examples in movies that make an obvious choice to do something that a realistic character would never do, and it does get frustrating at times.
I mean he did kill Gamora. The amount of people who respond to some mention of someone's girl getting groped with "I'd kill that guy asap," or something is pretty high. So is it that unbelievable that Starlod - who has proven to be a hothead - punches a guy in a moment of anger when he finds out someone kills a girl he's loved?
I admit, it's like a tiny stretch given that circumstances, but it isn't that odd.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:44 pm to gorillacoco
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One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character
You want a movie about Star Wars to be believable?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:07 pm to gorillacoco
The main reason is that filmmakers have changed from story-tellers to entertainers.
The goal isn't to make a truly great film. It's to get butts in the seats and make money.
There are still a few producers/directors that can make the films that they want, but those are getting fewer and fewer.
The goal isn't to make a truly great film. It's to get butts in the seats and make money.
There are still a few producers/directors that can make the films that they want, but those are getting fewer and fewer.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:29 pm to wildtigercat93
Yeah like why not just post a guard by his cell 24/7 or just move him to another prison?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:06 pm to Freauxzen
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I admit, it's like a tiny stretch given that circumstances, but it isn't that odd
It’s not odd at all, in fact it’s almost the exact same reaction he had when he learned Ego killed his mother. At least that’s how I saw it.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:16 pm to Mahootney
Again,
I need to reiterate to you guys something about plot holes and movies not being believable.
Reviewing a movie is not picking holes in logic. Its role is to examine character and plot devlopment, among other things.
So many people these days think that they are amateur scientists and can logic their way around a writer's logic and therefore break the movie's model of its own universe.
Tell me where in that is being a movie reviewer?
I need to reiterate to you guys something about plot holes and movies not being believable.
Reviewing a movie is not picking holes in logic. Its role is to examine character and plot devlopment, among other things.
So many people these days think that they are amateur scientists and can logic their way around a writer's logic and therefore break the movie's model of its own universe.
Tell me where in that is being a movie reviewer?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:47 pm to gorillacoco
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One example would be the last Jedi and the treatment of Luke’s character,
This one isn't an example. It's been thirty years since we've seen Luke. A lot can happen in that time and to say he had fallen out of love with the force in that time is possible. It's a shitty scene because it deflates all the build up to that point.
The problem with this scene is that Luke made a map to the location, implying he wants someone to find him, and then is a whiny bitch when someone finally shows up.
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Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT.
I was thinking this one was set up by the fact that a zombie had just tried to kill everyone in King's Landing and they decided to send a party of adventurers to scout it out/prove it.
The problem with the scene is that we have no grasp of the passage of time. They send a runner, who sends a raven to Danny, which traverses half the world, then she flies up with her dragons, all in what appears to be two days worth of time.
That's the point where the plot breaks. It's not the magic or dragons. When these first appear the story has set up before this point that these things are both possible, or have left the door open to those things making a believable appearance. When a raven that has only been established to fly at normal raven speeds hits Mach 9.7 to drive the plot forward, I drop out.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:01 pm to wildtigercat93
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I watched Law Abiding Citzen last night and it had enough plot holes to drive a bus through but everything else about it is so enjoyable you just ignore it
Just watched it. Story is absurd and DA's acting like cops and at every crime scene? Please.
Jaime Foxx has one acting face...one expression for all ranges of emotion in the movie.
He needed Blue Steel or even Ferrari but all we get is a cheap Magnum over and over again.
Could have been a good movie despite the absurdity and plot holes but Foxx was bland and terrible. His sidekicks were terrible.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 3:41 am to kciDAtaE
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I think it’s funny that the two examples you gave were both basically science fiction/fantasy and you’re complaining about believable plots... You okay with traveling at light speed and dragons, but Luke’s character development is giving you trouble??
This point of view is something I don’t understand. In fantasy or science fiction you can make up whatever premises, or magic, or technology you want. I have no problem with that. When characters act inconsistently with their own prior behavior tho it just makes the story weak. For instance, if you have a character who is a really dedicated, principled type dude and then you have him cheat on his wife for no reason but to advance a plot line, that’s shitty writing, regardless of what other premises (magic, technology, etc) are involved in the background. These are totally different things.
I’ll also say this: for certain genres or types of movies (action movies are the easy example, but horror movies are another, and I’m sure you can throw in rom coms and soap operas too), you can put up with certain dumb character decisions because the nature of the movie is not centered on plot or character development. I think both Star Wars and GoT have a healthy bit of ‘action movie’ in them, but the real strength of these franchises is the character development and plot, which is why it’s so disappointing to me to see them fail on those points.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 5:42 am to gorillacoco
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Another one is the ridiculous foray north of the wall in last seasons GoT.
Agree on this. There was so much cool action most people didn't stop and think about how absurd most of it was.
My favorite was Gendry's magical sprint home.
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