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Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:37 pm to Dr RC
Friend,
Movies set in the future are of a different category, as the setting, characters, costumes, morals, and music are all projections of the director who is limited by his own imagination, which is formed by his life, and most certainly the decade in which he writes or directs the film.
Thematically, Dirty Dancing and Stand By Me are products of the 50s; they try to recreate everything about the 50s; they in fact are the 50s. The fact that the films were filmed in the 80s is just happenstance.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Movies set in the future are of a different category, as the setting, characters, costumes, morals, and music are all projections of the director who is limited by his own imagination, which is formed by his life, and most certainly the decade in which he writes or directs the film.
Thematically, Dirty Dancing and Stand By Me are products of the 50s; they try to recreate everything about the 50s; they in fact are the 50s. The fact that the films were filmed in the 80s is just happenstance.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:46 pm to TulaneLSU
Friend,
Getting back to "Stand By Me", it is a 1959-based film released in 1986 based on a 1982 Stephen King Novella titled "The Body". The language alone dismisses it from "1950's" film. Yes..Boys did cuss in the 1950's, but you didn't see it on film. Also, a film like this would have possibly been filmed in black and white. It was a great film. Very well done but it was definitely a film based on the 1950's through a 1980's style.
Yours
CU_Tigers4Life
Getting back to "Stand By Me", it is a 1959-based film released in 1986 based on a 1982 Stephen King Novella titled "The Body". The language alone dismisses it from "1950's" film. Yes..Boys did cuss in the 1950's, but you didn't see it on film. Also, a film like this would have possibly been filmed in black and white. It was a great film. Very well done but it was definitely a film based on the 1950's through a 1980's style.
Yours
CU_Tigers4Life
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:48 pm to TulaneLSU
Acquaintance,
It does not matter what era the film is set. The setting, costumes, morals, and music are projections of the time they are made in regardless of the era the director is striving to portray.
Thematically, Dirty Dancing and Stand By Me are products of the 80s; they are little more than nostalgia fueled attempts to create a pastiche somewhat resembling a vague memory well enough to induce warm fuzzy feelings in an effort to separate the populace from their coin; This is in fact the essence of the 80s. The fact that they are set in the 50s is just happenstance.
Yours,
Dr RC
It does not matter what era the film is set. The setting, costumes, morals, and music are projections of the time they are made in regardless of the era the director is striving to portray.
Thematically, Dirty Dancing and Stand By Me are products of the 80s; they are little more than nostalgia fueled attempts to create a pastiche somewhat resembling a vague memory well enough to induce warm fuzzy feelings in an effort to separate the populace from their coin; This is in fact the essence of the 80s. The fact that they are set in the 50s is just happenstance.
Yours,
Dr RC
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 7:57 pm to TulaneLSU
Stand By Me has the feel of an 80's movie.
Kid centric and Kiefer Sutherland is in it.
Really before the 80's when did you ever see movies that revolved around just kids? Look at Stranger Things as being an homage. Stand By Me is like E.T. but without the Alien.
Do we ever see adults in that movie until the writer at the very end?
Not seeing adults or adults have no say is a very 80's movie trope.
Kid centric and Kiefer Sutherland is in it.
Really before the 80's when did you ever see movies that revolved around just kids? Look at Stranger Things as being an homage. Stand By Me is like E.T. but without the Alien.
Do we ever see adults in that movie until the writer at the very end?
Not seeing adults or adults have no say is a very 80's movie trope.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:23 pm to Dr RC
The 80's has a lot of movies that kids from any decade enjoy watching. Stand By Me fits right in with Ghostbusters (1984), ET (1982), The Princess Bride (1987), A Christmas Story (1983), The Goonies* (1985), The NeverEnding Story (1984), Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (1989), Harry and the Hendersons (1987), Uncle Buck (1989), Big (1988), Willow (1988), Back to the Future (1985), Flight of the Navigator (1986), Gremlins (1984) and WarGames (1983), to name a few, that a 12 year old boy would enjoy.
I think the 80's was the best decade for kids movies, and Stand By Me is one of the best ever. I also like that kids from every generation get a glimpse of how grand pa might have grown up, and it probably doesn't seem foreign to them.
I was born in 1959. The only kids movies I saw, as a kid, were Disney cartoons, dopey Disney movies like The Love Bug, Flubber, The Absent-Minded Professor, musicals like Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Doctor Dolittle, none of which I came away from excited.
The Jungle book was a cartoon, but it was great. Swiss Family Robinson was great. The Incredible Journey was my favorite movie as a kid. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was another excellent one. That's four movies that I could recommend.
I think the 80's was the best decade for kids movies, and Stand By Me is one of the best ever. I also like that kids from every generation get a glimpse of how grand pa might have grown up, and it probably doesn't seem foreign to them.
I was born in 1959. The only kids movies I saw, as a kid, were Disney cartoons, dopey Disney movies like The Love Bug, Flubber, The Absent-Minded Professor, musicals like Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Doctor Dolittle, none of which I came away from excited.
The Jungle book was a cartoon, but it was great. Swiss Family Robinson was great. The Incredible Journey was my favorite movie as a kid. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was another excellent one. That's four movies that I could recommend.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:39 pm to TulaneLSU
quote:
There is nothing remotely 80s about Stand By Me or Dirty Dancing. The setting, the music, the peripherals, the mood, the morals, the themes, all are rooted in the 1950s. The very essence of both movies is 1950s life. The movies do not reveal in any way, except perhaps technologically, that they were filmed in the 80s. The 80s filming is an accidental property, something that Aristotle or St. Thomas Aquinas, would not view as essential to be what it is. If either movie were filmed in the 90s, the movie would remain, in essence, a 50s movie. And that is because the essential properties of the film are 1950s properties.
Actually, wrong.
Stand By Me very much fits in the 80s and the amount of films that were completely about the transition from "kid to big kid" via big adventure. The 1950s is really only a setting that evokes the core of being a kid: seeking to grow up too fast and find adventure as quickly as possible.
Explorers, Goonies, Monster Squad, ET, The Neverending Story, Flight of the Navigator, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Big. Heck, even stretch that to Land Before Time, The Wizard, etc.
Just like you are saying "Future films" are different, so are current films with Past settings.
You are confusing Period Pieces - Braveheart, Gone with the Wind, Apollo 13 - with setting and tone.
Stand By Me is an extremely 80s film, which revolves, a lot, around the lessening naivete of kids - which was all about access to media and technology. The 50s were merely a setting to explore that idea.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:46 pm to Freauxzen
While you did a good job explaining your point and the answer to his ignorant argument, you also wasted your time on a moron.
Just say "Chopper, sic balls."
Just say "Chopper, sic balls."
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:49 pm to TulaneLSU
Also, I just have to add...because I actually bothered to read your entire post...
You realize this sentence is incomprehensible right?
What are properties, that by accident, do not give the object it's essence?
quote:
And what are the accidental properties, that is, those properties that are present by accident and do not give the object its essence?
You realize this sentence is incomprehensible right?
What are properties, that by accident, do not give the object it's essence?
Posted on 6/17/20 at 8:50 pm to TulaneLSU
quote:
Nothing about Stand By Me is an 80s movie except it’s filming date.
Wrong, this is the 80s
Ben E. King - Stand By Me
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I do not avoid '80s movies, but I do deny them my essence
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:10 pm to TulaneLSU
Is Gone With The Wind an 1860's film? The answer you're looking for is "no".
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:26 pm to Kafka
You got it.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:32 pm to TulaneLSU
Never gave it much thought , other than the actors were big hits as 80's era kid stars.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:36 pm to TulaneLSU
Friend,
Is Back to the Future not an 80’s movie in your opinion. I mean most of the movie takes place in the 50’s. GTFOOH
Yours,
Betty
Is Back to the Future not an 80’s movie in your opinion. I mean most of the movie takes place in the 50’s. GTFOOH
Yours,
Betty
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:37 pm to Kafka
quote:I avoid the John Hughes movies, but a 12 year old kid might enjoy them.
I do not avoid '80s movies, but I do deny them my essence
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:42 pm to TulaneLSU
quote:
es, it was filmed in the 80s, but it is set in the 50s
It is the '50s seen through the baby boomer lens of the '80s.
quote:
I do not consider it an 80s film.
I do not consider your threads to be products of a fully functioning mind.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 9:47 pm to TulaneLSU
I enjoy some of your posts on FDB, but this thread is a cry for help my “Friend”.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Friend,
One is left from your words to assume that you were not offered or did not take advantage of a classical education. If you were, you would be quite familiar with my language of essential and accidental properties. The idea is quite basic classical philosophy first introduced in Aristotle's works. An accidental property is simply a property of a thing that should that thing lose it would still be that thing. For example, an accidental property of a shirt is its polyester material. If it were not made from polyester but from another material, such as rayon, as was my shirt I wore at a bar mitzvah I attended at The Petroleum Club in the CBD's Energy Centre, it would still maintain its essence of being a shirt. Essential properties of a thing are things that should an object lose, it would lose its very being. While a simple concept to grasp, the fact that so many people do not understand it and appreciate it suggests why there is such chaos in American society today, a society fed on the empty calories of entertainment and television. A quick read of this board, which once was known as The Arts Board, reminds us just how atrophied the American mind is, thanks in large part to comic book movies and sitcoms.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
One is left from your words to assume that you were not offered or did not take advantage of a classical education. If you were, you would be quite familiar with my language of essential and accidental properties. The idea is quite basic classical philosophy first introduced in Aristotle's works. An accidental property is simply a property of a thing that should that thing lose it would still be that thing. For example, an accidental property of a shirt is its polyester material. If it were not made from polyester but from another material, such as rayon, as was my shirt I wore at a bar mitzvah I attended at The Petroleum Club in the CBD's Energy Centre, it would still maintain its essence of being a shirt. Essential properties of a thing are things that should an object lose, it would lose its very being. While a simple concept to grasp, the fact that so many people do not understand it and appreciate it suggests why there is such chaos in American society today, a society fed on the empty calories of entertainment and television. A quick read of this board, which once was known as The Arts Board, reminds us just how atrophied the American mind is, thanks in large part to comic book movies and sitcoms.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:29 pm to TulaneLSU
quote:Au contraire.
P.S. Nothing about Stand By Me is an 80s movie except it’s filming date.
The film is set in 1985. It is the story of a successful writer who learns that his closest childhood friend, with whom he has remained close for the past 25 years, has been senselessly killed by a knife-wielding assailant. The bulk of the film is a flashback to the weekend in the summer of 1959 in which the pair’s friendship began.
The film ends as it begins, in 1985, with the writer compiling his reminiscence into a story about his friend.
We have absolutely no confirmation that the writer’s recollections are in any way an accurate portrayal of the events of the late 1950s, or even that they took place at all.
Therefore, its an 80s movie.
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