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re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:12 am to STLhog
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:12 am to STLhog
quote:Yes, it did.
Darth Maul vs Qui-Gonn and Obi Wan fight
The only thing they got right. Don't care what anyone says, the score and that scene kicked arse.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:12 am to blueboy
quote:
This was made by hacks and suits at Disney.
This is a fair point. As usual, peoples expectations were too high when in reality we should've known that Disney would just play it safe.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:19 am to STLhog
quote:
Thinking about it, Poe and Finn basically cancel each other out. I sort of like the defection aspect just because it hadn't really been done yet but I can see your points on the lazy/poor execution of it all.
I really think Poe is more a set up for the sequel. I feel fairly confident that a major plot will have Poe and Finn being his side kick off doing something for the Resistance.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:20 am to fr33manator
quote:
Makes perfect sense
Ok Donald.
You could make that argument about literally every single story line in Star Wars.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:24 am to STLhog
quote:
assuming he has some kind of complex back story, I have no problem with Finn.
Just don't make him related to Lando or Mace. That would just be forced.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:26 am to Jorts R Us
I actually have a theory on that one
The Finn character was taken as a child.
From the only black couple in the galaxy I'm guessing.
I'm seeing a planet.
Mace Windu on it. His black wife. Lanisha Calrissian.
Lando is their son. She dies in childbirth.
Lando runs cloud city. It's actually a lab designed to make more black babies to give the Galaxy more color.
Vader takes it over. Only 2 viable specimens survive. Vader takes one (Finn) and throws the other off. It gets stuck in the windshield wipers of the Falcon. That's why there are no black women and only 2 black men in the galaxy.
The Finn character was taken as a child.
From the only black couple in the galaxy I'm guessing.
I'm seeing a planet.
Mace Windu on it. His black wife. Lanisha Calrissian.
Lando is their son. She dies in childbirth.
Lando runs cloud city. It's actually a lab designed to make more black babies to give the Galaxy more color.
Vader takes it over. Only 2 viable specimens survive. Vader takes one (Finn) and throws the other off. It gets stuck in the windshield wipers of the Falcon. That's why there are no black women and only 2 black men in the galaxy.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:30 am to fr33manator
Did you legit just copy and paste that post again?
It wasn't clever the first time, and is certainly less so this time around.
It wasn't clever the first time, and is certainly less so this time around.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:33 am to STLhog
give it a rest Don
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:51 am to fr33manator
Up voted
GFY sir
GFY sir
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:01 pm to fr33manator
quote:Another poster showed some black guys with Lando on Bespin.
That's why there are no black women and only 2 black men in the galaxy.
As for the black girls, I thought I saw at least two that were featured in this current movie:
The First Order chick who was announcing the time left before firing looked dark-skinned. She got a couple seconds with the camera directly on her, as she spoke.
The Republic woman on the balcony, watching the incoming blast also looked black; she, too, was the camera focus.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:07 pm to Scoob
I know it's nitpicking. I know it's sci-fi, I know that we are somehow supposed to accept hundreds of different Alien races, and here I am lampooning a choice of human...but I don't know. He just didn't fit for some reason.
Certainly not as a stormtrooper
ETA: actually, I know exactly why. He was a diversity hire shoehorned in by studio execs.
Certainly not as a stormtrooper
ETA: actually, I know exactly why. He was a diversity hire shoehorned in by studio execs.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:09 pm to fr33manator
quote:They need a white guy to fall in love with Rey so they can do a BBC cuckolding fantasy sequence. He can sit in the corner of the room and mope while Finn gets his freak on with Rey and his mom.
Lando runs cloud city. It's actually a lab designed to make more black babies to give the Galaxy more color.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:Which was completely unnecessary. It's Star Wars, so it was going to be a huge win no matter what they did.
This is a fair point. As usual, peoples expectations were too high when in reality we should've known that Disney would just play it safe.
Maybe the spinoffs will be good, but this trilogy is pretty much screwed.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:
This is a fair point. As usual, peoples expectations were too high when in reality we should've known that Disney would just play it safe.
Oh for crying out loud. You got a movie that introduced new characters and sprinkled in the old characters without focusing on them. What else are they going to do? If it would have been geriatric Luke, Leia, and Han cruising around in the Falcon to visit Lando, then you would have bitched. Also, one of the biggest complaints about the prequels was there were entire stretches were nothing but shitty dialog happened. That didn't happen here. There really wasn't much downtime. Its like certain people were determined to be disappointed. Star Wars is a tale of the Skywalkers. That will always be the central storyline to the saga. You can explore other areas of the galaxy, races, characters. You can explore the Force beyond light and dark (which I really hope they do). But it will always come back to the Skywalker family.
So now you have a new generation of characters. You have Disney money and unlimited access to the entire universe without George Lucas standing over it like the Tommy and the roll in Tommy Boy. This was a quality movie. You want risks? Go watch Interstellar (which I can find a ton of threads right here shitting on that movie as well.) What kind of risks are you going to take with Episode 7?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:33 pm to elprez00
quote:It's not about "risks." It's about not being formulaic, which this movie was.
You want risks?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:34 pm to blueboy
quote:
It's not about "risks." It's about not being formulaic, which this movie was.
They are ALL formulaic.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:42 pm to blueboy
quote:Wow, you're sure making a generalized statement there, we have no idea how this trilogy will play out.
Maybe the spinoffs will be good, but this trilogy is pretty much screwed.
The actors for Rey and Poe were good, and I thought Finn was ok too, he just didn't have a lot of material other than to be the outsider and ex-storm trooper refugee. If put in the right scenes and with the right story, we have a great bit of potential. Rey is with Chewie (who's extremely well conceived and performed imho) and Luke, on a gorgeous windswept island. We're going to get a visual that is nothing like we had seen before, and yet should fit within the mythos well. And I, at least, find that promising- Luke will likely not train her as Yoda trained him, if at all, because of his past failure. There should be a great amount of interesting philosophy presented there, as well as a "Luke showing off his increased powers" bit. Remember he's way more skilled than Ren, who can stop blasters in mid-air, and probe minds. There's no telling what Luke can and will do.
Poe is a hotshot pilot and special agent, we've already seen that, and Finn has a personal vendetta against Storm Troopers and Ren, as well as a newfound sense of courage and an obligation to Solo. He likely will be looking to prove himself, after being the cowardly lion this movie; and the two guys look to have good buddy chemistry going on. I expect some serious action from those two, a lot of blasting and space-dogfight potential.
The old crew- Leia is tired, but makes a fine general behind the scenes. Chewie has absolute tons of potential as the last remaining veteran warrior, since he's ageless (you just need to cast a tall guy and get the mannerisms right, and he can go on forever), and he's a beloved figure.
The original droids; well, it's time to minimize them. Keep C3PO as Leia's companion, and R2D2 as Luke's conscience, and use them sparingly.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:44 pm to elprez00
quote:
They are ALL formulaic.
I like you man.
These are some of the most contrarian arguments I've ever seen.
And that is saying a lot on this board.
People whining and complaining on their internet pedestools about a whiny and bitchy "millennial" Kylo Ren. The irony is making me laugh.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:47 pm to elprez00
quote:Meh. Arguable, and true, to an extent. SW has a lot of elements from westerns and Samurai movies, but the story is epic. And the dialog was a million times better than what we got here. Almost the entire movie is a quote gold mine. This one had no such moments.
They are ALL formulaic.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:47 pm to STLhog
quote:
These are some of the most contrarian arguments I've ever seen.
I mean, Star Wars deals in tropes. All of them do.
Now they want to get crazy, have them run with the idea of the Unifying Force, a master of both the light and the dark. People of extremes will always be tempted by the other extremes. A master of both is a slave to neither.
Would be interesting plot point.
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