re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?

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Because it's injected into everything now.

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Is it though? You're getting fired up about something they might do in a future movie (spoiler alert, they won't).

But it's kinda getting like a McCarthy hunting down communists feel to it.

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Every single piece of tech has a weak point or a keystone.

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Especially when one of your leaders starts Chopping up control panels whenever he doesn't get his way.



Maybe, just maybe, after they blow up 2 of your INSANELY expensive doomsday moons, you say "you know, we've had this happen twice. How about this time we have a group of engineers find out the weak point, and then design a few redundant systems to prevent them from destroying it the same way once again."

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So the real meat of the issue comes out. You are butthurt that Disney made a Star Wars movie.

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What!? I have no qualms with Disney. My kids enjoy many of their movies. As do I.

But this came across as goofy and forcibly diversified and controlled by studio execs and bean counters behind the scenes. With actors and writers and directors that had their hands tied a lot of the time.

"Make one of the Stormtrooper generals Silver! And a woman! We'll sell a ton of toys and costumes."

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Is it though? You're getting fired up about something they might do in a future movie (spoiler alert, they won't).

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That was just one aside. In the grand scheme of badness, it's not really a relevant detail.

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But it's kinda getting like a McCarthy hunting down communists feel to it.

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Ignoring the fact that McCarthy was vindicated by the facts, it's actually the other way around. The communists are hunting down the dissenters now.

Shoulda named it "SJWars: The Force is Triggered."

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If anyone critical about TFA was honest, they would be as critical about the OT. And if you're critical of the OT, you realize how mediocre, or even bad, they were as films. Fact

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That is not a fact at all. Star Wars is not Citizen Kane or Throne of Blood for sure it is a Sci Fi Movie (just for you ) but overall it is a good film, that's why it is so magically.

Of course it has flaws if we are going to nitpick. Yes the dialogue is pretty bland and mostly just advances the plot but that is pretty standard especially in a standard SciFi/Fantasy/Adventure genre. The acting will not be studied at the Strassberg school, but it doesn't ruin the movie by any means. There are some gaffs and "plot holes" but nothing that i would consider major. But movies are supposed to be fun. By 1977 the "new Hollywood" gritty realism was entrenched at the movies and it was overall a pretty shitty decade for America in general. Star Wars was a break to more escapism, that is part of why it was such a cultural phenom. A flawed movie, sure, bad film, no sorry.

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BTW, Disney's stock is dipping today. Even Wall Street knows it sucks.

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Now, I know you are an idiot, Disney stock dipping has absolutely NOTHING to do with Star Wars. As a matter of fact Disney buying Star Wars property for "only" 4 billion is pretty much being proven one of the best decisions they have made in a while.

However, I am laughing at the two of you talking about going in with no preconceived notions. That is utter BS as your analysis is constantly harking on how the movie was "this" and not "that". Buddy, if you can say those things immediately upon leaving a theatre, then you've got plenty of preconceived notions floating around in your head.

I'm kind of somewhere in the middle of the two camps in this thread.

On one hand, there was a lot I liked about the movie. I liked Daisy Ridley for one. I thought she did a good job as Rey. I cared about her character, and I think she is a good protagonist.

I also liked Adam Driver as Kylo Ren, who is a flawed bad guy. He's insecure, he has a bad temper. He's overconfident. His "villain's journey" will parallel Rey's "hero's journey." He looks odd. Yeah, I'll concede that. But why does everyone have to look perfect? Wouldn't his odd looks play to his insecurity?

I liked Poe Dameron in concept. I wanted more time spent on him.

Han and Chewie were great. No complaints.

I also LOVED the spaceship scenes/dogfight scenes. That first chase scene with the Falcon and the two TIE fighters... amazing. Loved it.

Here's what I didn't like:

Another Death Star? Come on man. At some point, you figure out a tactic/weapon doesn't work and you give up on it. TWO Death Stars was stretching it.

R2D2 suddenly waking up and saying, oh yeah... here's where you can find Luke... thanks, dick.

Finn - okay... I'm just going to say it... while I find the stormtrooper-turned-good-guy angle interesting, it feels like they are trying too hard to insert a black guy into the movie and possibly make him Rey's love interest. Please, Hollywood, just fricking stop already. There are two types of people in this world: the ones who are irritated by the colorblind/interracial/gender doesn't matter/girls can do anything boys can do side; and the ones who PRETEND not to notice it. There are extremists on either side. I am not an extremist. I think there's plenty of room for black characters in the Star Wars universe, but I know when something is being shoved at audiences. I've been around a while. This is one of those times.

Overall, I think this is a really good Star Wars movie. I think it's the third best one. I'm eager to see what happens next and that's what really matters.

If you're offended about my feelings regarding Finn, I can't do anything about that. I'm just sharing what I think. Again, I'm all for diversity in casting. I just don't like Hollywood pushing false sincerity regarding diversity.

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it feels like they are trying too hard to insert a black guy into the movie

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I didn't get that feeling at all.

Can you expand on that thought?

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Now you're just fricking with me right? The guy who accused Thoreau of being communist was validated?

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depends on what you mean by validated i suppose. I think his methods can be fairly questioned but a lot of the people he accused of being communists did, in fact turn out to be communists.

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SpqrTiger

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See, this is a well thought out critique. I can get behind this. I may not agree completely with it but I respect the angle. Well done.

Excellent points. If this had been the prequels or Lucas people would have been lambasting all these things, but suddenly it's Disney and JJ and they're supposed to be ignored?