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re: Who was Rocky's toughest fight?
Posted on 3/5/19 at 2:02 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 3/5/19 at 2:02 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Trying to keep his only son from growing up to be a pussy. Nobody hits as hard as life.
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 3:15 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
Thunderlips
Posted on 3/5/19 at 5:53 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Did they ever say who won the secret fight with rocky and Apollo
Posted on 3/5/19 at 5:59 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Thunderlips
Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:03 pm to QJenk
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Which reminds me, I love all the Rocky movies, but he was really not a great boxer. He literally won almost all of his fights because plot. He would take a ridiculous amount of headshots, yet still outlast his opponent. The absurd amount of punches Rocky withstood cannot be humanly possible at all.
In real life he likely loses most if not all of his major fights via TKO b/c a ref would have stopped it. The way Apollo bops him around in their first fight was vicious.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:54 pm to Tigerfan53
Apollo won
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:50 am to Tiger Voodoo
People are REALLY underselling Rocky in this thread.
He was essentially a self-trained and raw 30 - 31 year old when he first fought Creed and STILL broke him in that last round.
That was a huge part of the underlying tension with Rocky and Mickey in the first film. Rocky was angry because Mickey didn’t believe in him and realized his own life was just one huge missed opportunity.
Think about it this way: had Mick believed in Rocky as a kid and pushed/trained him his entire life, I really think Rocky would have opened up a can on prime Creed.
There’s a reason his name is Rocky (even says it in the movie). He is essentially Rocky Marciano born in bad circumstances (who went 49-0 btw), which makes me think Creed being 48-0 at the time of their fight was no accident.
He was essentially a self-trained and raw 30 - 31 year old when he first fought Creed and STILL broke him in that last round.
That was a huge part of the underlying tension with Rocky and Mickey in the first film. Rocky was angry because Mickey didn’t believe in him and realized his own life was just one huge missed opportunity.
Think about it this way: had Mick believed in Rocky as a kid and pushed/trained him his entire life, I really think Rocky would have opened up a can on prime Creed.
There’s a reason his name is Rocky (even says it in the movie). He is essentially Rocky Marciano born in bad circumstances (who went 49-0 btw), which makes me think Creed being 48-0 at the time of their fight was no accident.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 12:59 am
Posted on 3/6/19 at 5:05 am to Jack Ruby
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Lang was a brute, a brawler, and got exposed, although he was a badass. He was basically mike Tyson beforeuke Tyson. Go against a skilled fighter and more than 1 rd and it's over.
Young Tyson was a skilled fighter. It was on into his career when he decided he didn't need Atlas or Rooney. Larry Holmes was well past his prime when he faced Tyson but Tyson didn't just beat him, he destroyed him. Incompetent trainers and cornermen contributed a lot to Tyson's decline but cigarettes took a toll as well. At twenty they didn't matter but by his mid-thirties they took all his late round vigor.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:26 am to PurpleandGold Motown
himself
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:39 am to PurpleandGold Motown
reading to his wife.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:57 am to MidnightVibe
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But what about Tommy Gunn?
Apollo would've caught the AIDs from Tommy and died a slow death. Winner: Tommy Gunn.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:06 am to boxcarbarney
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Winner: Tommy Gunn.
Seriously...I don't understand why Tommy Gunn doesn't get more props here...
First...Apollo Creed, Clubber Lang, Drago were all actors. Sure they probably all had some training to make it look like they knew what they were doing for the movies, but in the end, they were actors...
Tommy Gunn was the ONLY one that was a real boxer. In addition, they didn't fight in a controlled environment of a movie set and scripted boxing ring...they fought in the street.
Rocky had to overcome the 2 fights with Apollo, the fight with Clubber, and the brain damage suffered from fighting Drago that the script inserted to make it seem like Rocky was more than he was. Against Apollo, could the underdog beat the favorite? Against Clubber, were his 10 title fights real? Against Drago, it was democracy versus communism.
But against Tommy Gunn, it was his whole life. It was everything Rocky had been and everything he was going to be now that everything had been taken from him. It was a real fights on a real street. Everything had been scripted until that fight against Tommy and Rocky won because he had the guts to finally fight a real fight.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:09 am to Ten Bears
quote:I guess you forget that Rocky came from the streets. Even Paulie said "Rocko, remember the neighborhood". He was used to that kind of fighting as well.
It was a real fights on a real street. Everything had been scripted until that fight against Tommy and Rocky won because he had the guts to finally fight a real fight.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:13 am to Jack Ruby
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Apollo was essentially a bigger, stronger fictionalized Muhammad Ali. He was undefeated over like 40+ fights in Rocky... The perfect fighter as Rocky even later said.
Creed was never even knocked down before Rocky and he lost by one second in tbe rematch, then retired. He's the only one that had the resume and the legacy out of all the Rocky fighters.
Edit: just looked it up, Apollos record in Rocky was 48-0 with 47 KOs.... That's incredible.
Even if he was fictional, Apollo was basically an undefeated heavyweight champ in the second golden age of heavyweight boxing
Lang was a brute, a brawler, and got exposed, although he was a badass. He was basically mike Tyson beforeuke Tyson. Go against a skilled fighter and more than 1 rd and it's over.
Drago was a Roided up soviet creation who killed an old fighter and lost to Rocky on home turf. He had like 2 pro fights.
Apollo was the best...by far.
All of this.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:20 am to DemonKA3268
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I guess you forget that Rocky came from the streets. Even Paulie said "Rocko, remember the neighborhood". He was used to that kind of fighting as well.
I thought about that...but Tommy was a professionally trained boxer. The others were just actors.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:31 am to Ten Bears
quote:Very true but this is strictly movie wise I think. In real life, Tommy would have destroyed all of them, no question.
I thought about that...but Tommy was a professionally trained boxer. The others were just actors.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:16 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Clubbed Lang
Only guy to knock rocky out.
That’s one of Rocky’s things, not being able to be knocked out.
Lang’s record was 57-0 before the rematch
Only guy to knock rocky out.
That’s one of Rocky’s things, not being able to be knocked out.
Lang’s record was 57-0 before the rematch
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:24 pm to DemonKA3268
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ery true but this is strictly movie wise I think. In real life, Tommy would have destroyed all of them, no question.
Dolph Lundgren was a real fighter in Europe before becoming an actor.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:29 pm to biglego
quote:Do you think he could've beaten Tommy in the ring? or the streets? I guess we'll never know. Tommy was a professional fighter, that's all I'm saying.
Dolph Lundgren was a real fighter in Europe before becoming an actor.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:40 pm to QJenk
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Which reminds me, I love all the Rocky movies, but he was really not a great boxer. He literally won almost all of his fights because plot. He would take a ridiculous amount of headshots, yet still outlast his opponent. The absurd amount of punches Rocky withstood cannot be humanly possible at all.
It’s not about how hard you can hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit - and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done.
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