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re: Who the hell is Snoke? (Spoils)
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:16 pm to League Champs
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:16 pm to League Champs
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There are no more. Except this girl, with no lineage, and no training, who showed no skills as a kid like Anakin did, who was drawn to the Skywalker constructed lightsaber, and had foreknowledge of the Falcon, and is now the most powerful person ever
I never got the impression that Rey was a Jedi. In fact, Luke made it a point that he would be the last Jedi. He did give her a 5 min course on the force tho (don't think that makes you a Jedi either). Instead she can become more powerful by not limiting herself by the rules of the Jedi.
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:24 pm to AMS
That’s a good point. I guess a powerful force user doesn’t have to be sith or Jedi.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:26 pm to AMS
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I never got the impression that Rey was a Jedi.
Luke told Kylo he wasn’t the last Jedi and then it immediately cut to Rey.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:28 pm to Jack Ruby
In an attempt to rationalize this whole Snoke debalce, it requires me to push all the chips in on some theory that saves it for me.
Like Kylo is playing the Vader role in this trilogy, Snoke is playing the Palpatine role. But unlike Vader willing to strike down Palpatine when he wanted, Kylo baited Snoke into the assassination attempt Vader never could.
I don't think it was ever Vaders plan to kill Palapatine in Jedi, but he got the man in the room he needed to pull it off.
Like Kylo is playing the Vader role in this trilogy, Snoke is playing the Palpatine role. But unlike Vader willing to strike down Palpatine when he wanted, Kylo baited Snoke into the assassination attempt Vader never could.
I don't think it was ever Vaders plan to kill Palapatine in Jedi, but he got the man in the room he needed to pull it off.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:44 pm to Esquire
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Luke told Kylo he wasn’t the last Jedi and then it immediately cut to Rey.
I must have missed this... but nothing else in that film gave me the impression that Rey was a Jedi. Luke only gave her a brief at best crash course on the force. He outright refused to Jedi train her.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:57 am to AMS
Forgive my paraphrasing. It was when Luke and Kylo were facing off. I don’t remember Kylo’s lines besides he was go to destroy the Last Jedi, but Luke’s response was the same as his earlier one to Rey, “everything in that sentence is wrong..(some stuff)..I’m not the Last Jedi” *cut to Rey moving the rocks to let the rebels escape*
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:31 pm to StringedInstruments
To maybe calm your minds upon Snoke’s random existence, here is a quote from “Darth Bane: Rule of Two” That I stumbled upon. Absorb and think.
"But there will be those who doubt the totality of the Sith extinction. There will always be whispers that the Sith survive, hints and rumors that somewhere in the galaxy a Dark Lord lives. And if the Jedi ever find proof of our existence, they will be relentless in hunting us down."
?Darth Bane
As for people who don’t fully grasp why the rule of two exists, here is a direct quote from “Darth Bane: Path of Destruction”. (this comes from Darth Revan’s ”holocron” roughly 1000 - 1003 BBY):
"Any master who instructs more than one apprentice in the ways of the dark side is a fool. In time the apprentices will unite their strengths and overthrow the master. It is inevitable; Axiomatic. That is why each master must have only one student."
"But there will be those who doubt the totality of the Sith extinction. There will always be whispers that the Sith survive, hints and rumors that somewhere in the galaxy a Dark Lord lives. And if the Jedi ever find proof of our existence, they will be relentless in hunting us down."
?Darth Bane
As for people who don’t fully grasp why the rule of two exists, here is a direct quote from “Darth Bane: Path of Destruction”. (this comes from Darth Revan’s ”holocron” roughly 1000 - 1003 BBY):
"Any master who instructs more than one apprentice in the ways of the dark side is a fool. In time the apprentices will unite their strengths and overthrow the master. It is inevitable; Axiomatic. That is why each master must have only one student."
Posted on 1/14/18 at 7:37 pm to cgrooms94
I’ve read the Darth Bane series, and what you’re quoting only ruins the situation more. One apprentice per master. Vader was the apprentice to Palpatine, the master. Vader died immediately after he appeared to kill Palpatine. Sith lineage over
They needed to explain how Snoke came into power bc there was no story to it, and the story behind him was incredibly important. Was he a collector, who bought hundreds of sith artifacts to slowly gain power over the dark side? Was he a secret apprentice or master of another sith lineage? Was he a former Sith raised from the dead or near dead? Nobody fricking knows, and there’s no inclination that we will ever find out
They needed to explain how Snoke came into power bc there was no story to it, and the story behind him was incredibly important. Was he a collector, who bought hundreds of sith artifacts to slowly gain power over the dark side? Was he a secret apprentice or master of another sith lineage? Was he a former Sith raised from the dead or near dead? Nobody fricking knows, and there’s no inclination that we will ever find out
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 7:53 pm to bodask42
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Abram’s problem is he doesn’t know how to seal the deal on his stories. All of those intriguing mysteries on Lost were either left unanswered or had very unsatisfying, forced/contrived answers. Abram’s didn’t really have a plan for it, but he left little nuggets of intrigue out there and hoped someone else could bring it all together. With Lost that didn’t happen
They answered everything. Study Buddhism. Then it'll make sense. And f'ing polar bear was brought to the island by the Dharma Initiative for experimentation in the zoo. I really wonder if people who complain that Lost never answered their questions really actually watched it.
Meanwhile, in the Star Wars universe, Johnson totally shite the bed. Very poor story construction all around. Contrived plot devices. None of the choices the characters make are sensical at all.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 8:58 pm to cgrooms94
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To maybe calm your minds upon Snoke’s random existence, here is a quote from “Darth Bane: Rule of Two” That I stumbled upon. Absorb and think.
How do those quotes answer anything about Snoke? They don't calm my mind. In fact, they disturb it. I had forgotten about Star Wars until this. Thanks.
As mentioned, according to the rule of two, you'd always have two Sith - master and pupil.
Palpatine and Vader.
Then it was supposed to be Vader and Luke unless Palpatine turned Luke. Then Palpatine and Luke.
But Vader's sacrifice ended the Sith. Palpatine died and Vader died and Luke resisted the dark side.
But suddenly Snoke is here, and he's some super badass Sith? Please.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 9:06 pm to Warfarer
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Emprorer was a fleshed out character even without a backstory.
He really wasn't. All we knew was he ran things and he wanted Luke. That's really about it. He didn't do shite until the 3rd movie and even then he was just cackling and talking trash to Luke for most of it.
As for the two Sith thing, I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that there were only ever 2 Sith in the entire universe at one time. I always took the way they talked about them to mean something more along the lines of if you find one Sith, there will be a second connected to them but they won't be running in groups any bigger than that.
Even if the Jedi were under the assumption there were only ever two at once in the entire universe, I don't see why it would be a strange thing for them to have gotten that wrong. There was a fricking Sith Lord walking around their damn main temple for years and not a single one of them had any idea. It's well established that their arrogance left them ripe for a fall. The idea that they had wiped out all Sith was wrong and they paid for it. The idea that there are only ever two in the entire universe would just be another example of them not truly understanding what they were up against.
In the EU there were entire planets of worth of Sith before the rule of two came about so it isn't exactly a completely out there thing for another Sith lord to have been laying in wait somewhere.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 9:43 pm to Jack Ruby
Did you have the same problem with not knowing anything about palpatine’s backstory in the OT?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:41 pm to Dr RC
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Even if the Jedi were under the assumption there were only ever two at once in the entire universe, I don't see why it would be a strange thing for them to have gotten that wrong. There was a fricking Sith Lord walking around their damn main temple for years and not a single one of them had any idea. It's well established that their arrogance left them ripe for a fall. The idea that they had wiped out all Sith was wrong and they paid for it. The idea that there are only ever two in the entire universe would just be another example of them not truly understanding what they were up against.
Then give us one line. A single one liner takes care of that.
"Join me, Rey. Forget that pompous hermit Skywalker on his lonely planet. He and his Jedi ways couldn't see me right under their noses for decades!"
Or something. That's it. It'd take care of all of it.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:47 pm to Peter Venkman
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What on his resume actually convinced Disney that it was worth giving him a shot to direct a Star Wars movie?
I mean Looper and Brick are both really good movies. He wrote and directed both. Looper is sci fi so I can see why he was hired.
IDK what the hell happened though bc TLJ isn't even close to as good as those two films.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:51 pm to Broski
Amen. Thought the exact same thing. Even worse they teased us with his lightning ability. So odd they didn't elaborate on his background a little more or have a litesaber battle between him and Kylo/Rey
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:21 pm to StringedInstruments
Snoke isn't a sith
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:00 pm to Jack Ruby
You knew the back story of the emperor after the episodes 4,5,6?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:15 am to kciDAtaE
You didn’t need to. Episode IV was all Vader. The emperor didn’t show up until the middle of the ESB and that was as a hologram. By the end of ROTJ you knew enough that he was a bad arse (other peoples reactions to his name) him setting a trap and trying to kill Luke. Then he’s dead. That was an original movie that set the scene for a whole new universe.
Snoke shows up early in Episode VII and we want to know his place in an already known universe. Instead we get squat.
The villains in this trilogy are really just the worst. The hero’s aren’t much better.
Snoke shows up early in Episode VII and we want to know his place in an already known universe. Instead we get squat.
The villains in this trilogy are really just the worst. The hero’s aren’t much better.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:01 am to cgrooms94
Darth Bane is EU - it no longer exists
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:40 am to Jack Ruby
snoke is one of palpatines advisors
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