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Who the hell is Snoke? (Spoils)
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:33 am
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:33 am
How do you have a character clearly with the same force level as Sidious and Yoda a massive enfatuation with finding Luke and who essentially reinvented the Empire... And then not even tell anything about him before killing him off?
Why was he so screwed up physically, why was he so powerful, where did he come from? All that and more and now we'll never know I guess.
... And also... Why the hell was he CGI? It just bugs the shite out of me that you supposedly say you're bringing the magic back of the first films and you could have easily made Snoke a real life character with some great makeup and practical effects a la The Emporer. Seriously, why do that when you say your all about traditional filmmaking with the new movies.
Why was he so screwed up physically, why was he so powerful, where did he come from? All that and more and now we'll never know I guess.
... And also... Why the hell was he CGI? It just bugs the shite out of me that you supposedly say you're bringing the magic back of the first films and you could have easily made Snoke a real life character with some great makeup and practical effects a la The Emporer. Seriously, why do that when you say your all about traditional filmmaking with the new movies.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 1:38 am
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:41 am to Jack Ruby
Because good storytelling has to go to the back of the bus to make room for hackneyed agendas and proselytizing.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:41 am to Jack Ruby
It’s the million dollar question. Rian Johnson shite the bed.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:46 am to Jack Ruby
This was my main quip, of many, that I had with this movie. I'm still upset after leaving the theater I'm not even ready to talk more about it. It's a shame. A goddamn shame.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:22 am to hg
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million dollar question
Idk, I never gave 2 fricks about who Snoke was. He was just an evil guy and,”yes”, there can be other powerful force users in the galaxy in a span of 30 years.
I just accepted that and the question of who Snoke was never even interested me a bit.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:46 am to Jack Ruby
To be fair, just because of what happened in VIII doesn't mean we can't learn more about his origins in IX.
With that said, JJ better pull it off right because 'who is Snoke?' was a question that was brought to the forefront very early in this trilogy, so there better be a payoff beyond, "he's just the bad guy."
With that said, JJ better pull it off right because 'who is Snoke?' was a question that was brought to the forefront very early in this trilogy, so there better be a payoff beyond, "he's just the bad guy."
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:05 am to Jack Ruby
I was stunned that they killed him off so quickly.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:54 am to RLDSC FAN
Rian Johnson has to go. What on his resume actually convinced Disney that it was worth giving him a shot to direct a Star Wars movie? He has done nothing in the industry. It was almost as if he had never even seen The Force Awakens.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:10 am to Jack Ruby
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It just bugs the shite out of me that you supposedly say you're bringing the magic back of the first films
JJ Abrams said that and made a great film.
Rian Johnson is a shitty hack who should he banished from the land.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:21 am to Jack Ruby
As many complaints as I have about the movie, Snoke's background is one of the least concerning. I only wish he weren't so powerful. As is, he's twice as powerful as Vader or Sidious ever was.
I mean, Luke and Rey spar and Rey gets the best of him. She was merely a speck of dust in facing Snoke.
Kylo Ren stifled Luke, buried him in debris, and destroyed a Jedi temple. He was overwhelmed against Snoke except for a weakly-written sleight of hand.
What would have been better:
Snoke has force powers which scares the shite out of the young generals. He's the Supreme Leader because - holy frick, did you see him move something with his mind??!?! However, because the Jedi and Sith were destroyed and the force was brought to balance in the OT, Snoke is actually weak compared to the characters of old.
This way Kylo Ren killing Snoke would have made more sense. It would show that the Sith rise up in power one apprentice at a time. Snoke was the Sith but was weak. Kylo Ren was a little stronger. Rey being recruited as the apprentice would show the dark side's strength growing.
I don't understand why the storytelling part is so fricking hard. I can look past the SJW bullshite. I can't look past multi-millionaire professional storytellers failing to put together a coherent story. My 9th graders could have worked together and produced a better script.
I mean, Luke and Rey spar and Rey gets the best of him. She was merely a speck of dust in facing Snoke.
Kylo Ren stifled Luke, buried him in debris, and destroyed a Jedi temple. He was overwhelmed against Snoke except for a weakly-written sleight of hand.
What would have been better:
Snoke has force powers which scares the shite out of the young generals. He's the Supreme Leader because - holy frick, did you see him move something with his mind??!?! However, because the Jedi and Sith were destroyed and the force was brought to balance in the OT, Snoke is actually weak compared to the characters of old.
This way Kylo Ren killing Snoke would have made more sense. It would show that the Sith rise up in power one apprentice at a time. Snoke was the Sith but was weak. Kylo Ren was a little stronger. Rey being recruited as the apprentice would show the dark side's strength growing.
I don't understand why the storytelling part is so fricking hard. I can look past the SJW bullshite. I can't look past multi-millionaire professional storytellers failing to put together a coherent story. My 9th graders could have worked together and produced a better script.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:21 am to Jack Ruby
I never cared who Snoke was. Would it have made you think it was a better movie to get some similar backstory to the emperor for him? I think Kylo Ren is a much more interesting villain. I think we all expected Kylo Ren to redeem himself in the last movie by killing Snoke and turning good. I'm glad that's not what we got here.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:29 am to Breesus
JJ Abrams vs Rian Johnson
Let me start by saying I really enjoyed Force Awakens, but I loved Last Jedi and thought it exceeded Awakens and grew the trilogy as needed.
JJ Abrams is a very competent film maker who likes to drop little Easter eggs of intrigue and mystery in his films (think of all the shite in LOST: polar bears on an island, etc). In Force Awakens you have Rey’s background, Snoke’s background including his disfigured face, Knights of Ren, C3PO’s red arm, why did Ben turn to the dark side, and probably several others I’m not remembering at the moment.
Abram’s problem is he doesn’t know how to seal the deal on his stories. All of those intriguing mysteries on Lost were either left unanswered or had very unsatisfying, forced/contrived answers. Abram’s didn’t really have a plan for it, but he left little nuggets of intrigue out there and hoped someone else could bring it all together. With Lost that didn’t happen.
With the Last Jedi you had someone take the wheel who actually knows how to close the deal and enact a vision for his film. In doing that, Rian Johnson went ahead and snipped out the mysteries he didn’t think were ultimately important to the saga. He said Kylo/Rey dynamic is what drives this trilogy, so we are going to shockingly kill off Snoke instead of letting him be Emperor #2.
Assuming Ren didn’t lie to Rey, her parentage of coming from nobodies ties more into the themes of the entire movie. The Star Wars nerd in me wants her to find out she’s a Kenobi in the last film, but in actuality I respect the reveal in the Last Jedi and appreciate how it informs the rest of the movie.
C3PO’s red arm.... the movie said screw that we are mloving on, haha.
TLDR: JJ Abram’s know how to start up exciting new franchises with layers of mystery but doesnt know how to seal the deal on that intrigue. Thankfully Rian Johnson does know how to tell a complete tale and took the mysteries that helped with his vision while putting the superfluous ones out to pasture.
Let me start by saying I really enjoyed Force Awakens, but I loved Last Jedi and thought it exceeded Awakens and grew the trilogy as needed.
JJ Abrams is a very competent film maker who likes to drop little Easter eggs of intrigue and mystery in his films (think of all the shite in LOST: polar bears on an island, etc). In Force Awakens you have Rey’s background, Snoke’s background including his disfigured face, Knights of Ren, C3PO’s red arm, why did Ben turn to the dark side, and probably several others I’m not remembering at the moment.
Abram’s problem is he doesn’t know how to seal the deal on his stories. All of those intriguing mysteries on Lost were either left unanswered or had very unsatisfying, forced/contrived answers. Abram’s didn’t really have a plan for it, but he left little nuggets of intrigue out there and hoped someone else could bring it all together. With Lost that didn’t happen.
With the Last Jedi you had someone take the wheel who actually knows how to close the deal and enact a vision for his film. In doing that, Rian Johnson went ahead and snipped out the mysteries he didn’t think were ultimately important to the saga. He said Kylo/Rey dynamic is what drives this trilogy, so we are going to shockingly kill off Snoke instead of letting him be Emperor #2.
Assuming Ren didn’t lie to Rey, her parentage of coming from nobodies ties more into the themes of the entire movie. The Star Wars nerd in me wants her to find out she’s a Kenobi in the last film, but in actuality I respect the reveal in the Last Jedi and appreciate how it informs the rest of the movie.
C3PO’s red arm.... the movie said screw that we are mloving on, haha.
TLDR: JJ Abram’s know how to start up exciting new franchises with layers of mystery but doesnt know how to seal the deal on that intrigue. Thankfully Rian Johnson does know how to tell a complete tale and took the mysteries that helped with his vision while putting the superfluous ones out to pasture.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:35 am to bodask42
Rian Johnson is an ugly, tiny, ignorant little man.
His movie is absolute shite.
His movie is absolute shite.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:52 am to Jack Ruby
I? feel like a read somewhere that every with master gets killed by their trainee? Is that right? If are they building Kylo up to be the most evil and strongest sith ever?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:53 am to Jack Ruby
All good criticisms. Just threw the villain in the trash without any explanation of who he is.
Unfortunately, this movie failed on so many levels. I don't know how the people in control of the movie watched that and thought it was good. When the opening day Star Wars crowd gives it a 56%, you know it sucks.
Unfortunately, this movie failed on so many levels. I don't know how the people in control of the movie watched that and thought it was good. When the opening day Star Wars crowd gives it a 56%, you know it sucks.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:53 am to Jack Ruby
I would have liked more back story but to be fair no one really knew the emperor's back story until after the release of the OT.
And in the end does it really mean much? He was evil and powerful and helped turn Ben.
This trilogy is about Rey and Kylo IMO.
And in the end does it really mean much? He was evil and powerful and helped turn Ben.
This trilogy is about Rey and Kylo IMO.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:01 am to Rhames
I would have liked more back story but to be fair no one really knew the emperor's back story until after the release of the OT.
We knew why the Emperor wanted Luke Skywalker. We learned lots of information throughout the OT about the Empire and their motives. The fact that Vader was Luke's father actually contributed to our knowledge of the Emperor's motives. There was also more mystique with the Emperor. There was some mystique with Snoke, but mystique is not the same as confusion. We had no clue about Snoke.
We knew Snoke wanted - needed - to find Luke Skywalker. Why?
Who trained him? We're merely ~20 years after ROTJ. Where the hell was he in the OT?
The mythos of the Sith is that there's always a Sith Lord and a Sith Apprentice. When Vader killed the Emperor and died afterwards, the Sith were annihilated. But Snoke is suddenly a Sith Lord thus rendering the entire conflict of the OT meaningless unless they explain where Snoke comes from.
The worst story point was that he was so powerful. How? Why? He whipped Rey and Ren's asses like they were nothing, and these two are supposedly already powerful Jedi. Where the hell did this guy come from?
That's great. I don't mind that. They just have to execute their character development better. It took three epic movies set over the course of years for Luke to become a Jedi. It's taken Rey 30 hours.
We knew why the Emperor wanted Luke Skywalker. We learned lots of information throughout the OT about the Empire and their motives. The fact that Vader was Luke's father actually contributed to our knowledge of the Emperor's motives. There was also more mystique with the Emperor. There was some mystique with Snoke, but mystique is not the same as confusion. We had no clue about Snoke.
We knew Snoke wanted - needed - to find Luke Skywalker. Why?
Who trained him? We're merely ~20 years after ROTJ. Where the hell was he in the OT?
The mythos of the Sith is that there's always a Sith Lord and a Sith Apprentice. When Vader killed the Emperor and died afterwards, the Sith were annihilated. But Snoke is suddenly a Sith Lord thus rendering the entire conflict of the OT meaningless unless they explain where Snoke comes from.
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And in the end does it really mean much? He was evil and powerful and helped turn Ben.
The worst story point was that he was so powerful. How? Why? He whipped Rey and Ren's asses like they were nothing, and these two are supposedly already powerful Jedi. Where the hell did this guy come from?
quote:
This trilogy is about Rey and Kylo IMO.
That's great. I don't mind that. They just have to execute their character development better. It took three epic movies set over the course of years for Luke to become a Jedi. It's taken Rey 30 hours.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 8:02 am
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:04 am to StringedInstruments
Snoke wanted to find luke because he wanted to kill him to stop him from possibly training jedi. That was explained in the force Awakens I believe.
He wanted rey and ren to fight each other and the victor to be his apprentice. There are problems with the movie for sure, I just don't think this is really one of them.
He wanted rey and ren to fight each other and the victor to be his apprentice. There are problems with the movie for sure, I just don't think this is really one of them.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:12 am to bodask42
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bdskelton
frick everything about that post and you. It's too stupid to even go into how shitty your opinions are. Stop posting.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:35 am to Jack Ruby
I don’t understand why you guys care about this so much. He was a plot vehicle for Kylo Ren. That’s it. He wasn’t the big bad. It’s not that hard to understand.
Sidious had no backstory in the originals and no one blinked twice. Stop being babies.
Sidious had no backstory in the originals and no one blinked twice. Stop being babies.
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