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re: Where do you stand on the huckleberry vs huckle bearer debate?

Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:58 am to
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:58 am to
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To be one’s huckleberry — usually as the phrase I’m your huckleberry — is to be just the right person for a given job, or a willing executor of some commission. Where it comes from needs a bit more explaining.

First a bit of botanical history. When European settlers arrived in the New World, they found several plants that provided small, dark-coloured sweet berries. They reminded them of the English bilberry and similar fruits and they gave them one of the dialect terms they knew for them, hurtleberry, whose origin is unknown (though some say it has something to do with hurt, from the bruised colour of the berries; a related British dialect form is whortleberry). Very early on — at the latest 1670 — this was corrupted to huckleberry.

As huckleberries are small, dark and rather insignificant, in the early part of the nineteenth century the word became a synonym for something humble or minor, or a tiny amount. An example from 1832: “He was within a huckleberry of being smothered to death”. Later on it came to mean somebody inconsequential. Mark Twain borrowed some aspects of these ideas to name his famous character, Huckleberry Finn. His idea, as he told an interviewer in 1895, was to establish that he was a boy “of lower extraction or degree” than Tom Sawyer.

Also around the 1830s, we see the same idea of something small being elaborated and bombasted in the way so typical of the period to make the comparison a huckleberry to a persimmon, the persimmon being so much larger that it immediately establishes the image of something tiny against something substantial. There’s also a huckleberry over one’s persimmon, something just a little bit beyond one’s reach or abilities; an example is in David Crockett: His Life and Adventures by John S C Abbott, of 1874: “This was a hard business on me, for I could just barely write my own name. But to do this, and write the warrants too, was at least a huckleberry over my persimmon”.

Quite how I’m your huckleberry came out of all that with the sense of the man for the job isn’t obvious. It seems that the word came to be given as a mark of affection or comradeship to one’s partner or sidekick. There is often an identification of oneself as a willing helper or assistant about it, as here in True to Himself, by Edward Stratemeyer, dated 1900: “ ‘I will pay you for whatever you do for me.’ ‘Then I’m your huckleberry. Who are you and what do you want to know?’ ”.


Found this on the internet, so it's gotta be true.

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Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:06 am to
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Yup. Daisy was a popular flower in those days because of how tough it was. Basically saying he isn't anything special.



I always associated it with pushing up Daisies....
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
9762 posts
Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:28 am to
My brother convinced my kids it was, “I’m your Uncle Barry.”
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9089 posts
Posted on 3/5/19 at 12:36 pm to
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I always associated it with pushing up Daisies.


I see how you could think that but it is not what he meant. Daisy was slang for the best in those days as it was the most popular flower.

Doc actually uses Daisy 3 times in the movie.

When he has a good card hand.
"Isn't that a Daisy"


At the fight at OK Carrol
"I got you now"
"You are a Daisy if you do"

Then the standoff
"You are no Daisy. No Daisy at all."


All 3 times he is relating a Daisy to being the the best or better.
Posted by Merck
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Member since Nov 2009
1693 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:32 am to
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well look at the big brain on brad


A better argument is to ask if Jules said Brad or Brett?
Posted by leeosis
Member since Sep 2020
2 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 7:59 pm to
"You're a daisy if you do."
You're a dead man if you do.
Pushing up daisies...you'll wind up a daisy...
Posted by leeosis
Member since Sep 2020
2 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:01 pm to
More like you're a dead man if you do...pushing up daisies
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6974 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:16 pm to
I’ve got a better idea, how about a spelling contest?
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
157363 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:26 pm to
Moon river, wider than a mile
I'm crossing you in style some day
Oh, dream maker, you heart breaker
Wherever you're going, I'm going your way

Two drifters, off to see the world
There's such a lot of world to see
We're after the same rainbow's end, waiting, round the bend
My Huckleberry Friend, Moon River, and me
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12644 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:29 pm to
I didn’t even know there was a debate. It’s huckleberry.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38661 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:31 pm to
This is a dumb debate.

Huckleberry.

Dropped it on purpose.
Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 3:34 pm to
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huckle bearer


Never heard that term before reading it here.

Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90319 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 3:43 pm to
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leeosis


What the frick is wrong with you?
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9869 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 4:14 pm to
Tangential bump 1.5 years after original post.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104040 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 6:08 pm to
This isn't a debate.

This isn't even remotely a debate.

You should feel bad.

This is a troll, right?
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33819 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:25 pm to
No controversy, it's Huckleberry. Just like Dottie dropping the ball on purpose.

Don't believe what you read on some website that's not named Tigerdroppings, even if it's from a writer or a director.
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
8886 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:25 pm to
The script literally reads, “I’m your huckleberry,” both times Doc has the line.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
61475 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:55 pm to
bruh
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 10:01 pm to
I mean...

Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 11:00 pm to
I believe the lyrics to the Yes song Roundabout includes


"mallards fall out of the sky and they stand there"
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