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re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:21 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:21 am to Aubie Spr96
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I know Min is older than Rand, but she looks to be a good 10+ years older in the series.
The actress is 10ish years older than Josha so makes sense. She is a little too old in my opinion, but again yall get bent out of shape about the smallest stuff.
This show just isn't going to be for you. Its 14 books. A ton of stuff is going to be changed. Min being 4 years older than you imagined is pretty far down the list of changes that bother me or that matter.
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:32 am to Fun Bunch
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Almost all of the relationships in the books are trash, pretty much the entire fandom agrees with that.
Exactly. Which is why I appreciated their relationship as it was the most 'normal' out of all of them except maybe Perrin and Faile.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:35 am to Aubie Spr96
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the most 'normal' out of all of them except maybe Perrin and Faile.
The frick
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:00 am to Fun Bunch
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This episode was fricking awesome. Best yet by far.
The best of shite ain’t saying much.
Continued poor character and relationship development. Disjointed and hurried plot progression.
And don’t forget(because they sure won’t let you) the forced try-hard cringe level wokeness of everyone’s race and sexuality.
Should have left it just like the first book and it would have been a hit.
Amazon blew it. Such a shame.
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 10:01 am
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:10 am to Warfox
It is a hit. It’s Amazon largest season 1 ratings of all time.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:36 am to Fun Bunch
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This episode was fricking awesome.
Not quite.
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Best yet by far.
Yes.
It's definitely moving in the right direction finally, minus the weird Egwene/Perrin/Rand crap.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 12:07 pm to Warfox
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The best of shite ain’t saying much.
Continued poor character and relationship development. Disjointed and hurried plot progression.
And don’t forget(because they sure won’t let you) the forced try-hard cringe level wokeness of everyone’s race and sexuality.
Should have left it just like the first book and it would have been a hit.
Amazon blew it. Such a shame.
Yeah, I'm not a book reader but I've read all of the plot highlights of where the story and characters are going, and this show seems to be doing a terrible job at setting it up. There is zero chemistry between some of these characters like Lan and Nynaeve. It's also hard to buy that any of the main kids have a real bond between them given both the mediocre writing and acting.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 12:19 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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There is zero chemistry between some of these characters like Lan and Nynaeve. It's also hard to buy that any of the main kids have a real bond between them given both the mediocre writing and acting.
This is all extremely book accurate
Posted on 12/17/21 at 12:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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The frick
I'm not sure what's hard to understand about what I said? The book played on the tension between the two until Moraine departed. Now, Moraine is a lesbian fricking the leader of the White Tower and her body guard is fricking one of the dragon candidates. Perhaps that's better?
Posted on 12/17/21 at 12:50 pm to Aubie Spr96
You complimenting the Perrin/Faile relationship with is the most dogshit of them all and universally hated in the fanbase.
You're going to be disappointed too, because Rafe has gone on record as saying that Faile as written is his least favorite character in the entire series and there will be changes to her personality and the relationship.
You're going to be disappointed too, because Rafe has gone on record as saying that Faile as written is his least favorite character in the entire series and there will be changes to her personality and the relationship.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 1:52 pm to Fun Bunch
Perhaps a distinction without difference, but I personally had no particular dislike of the Perrin/Faile romance.
It developed over an extended period of on-screen time, and was tied nicely into the overarching plot in which "the wheel will make things happen the way they have to in order to reach the desired outcome", in that he needed a partner who could help train him and fill in the gaps of his developing leadership skills (she is a formally trained future accountant from/for royalty), inspire sufficient love from him to ground him in reality during his wolf training, and watch his back politically.
However, a HUGE gripe is that it all could have been accomplished in a third of the pages. The prisoner/rescue story line was my least favorite, not for content, but for the sometimes agonizing length, and unnecessary side stories for Faile and her fellow prisoners.
And Faile was generally unlikable
There are many legitimate criticisms of the way Jordan wrote relationships. It seems fierce love either came out of nowhere, or developed like Chinese water torture, with very little in between
I do NOT understand the Non sequitur that, because of Jordan's romantic-storytelling shortcomings , "it just makes sense" for the show to completely alter what those relationships are, rather than simply composing a more organic and interesting version of the same romance for the viewer
I am very much enjoying this ongoing conversation in lieu of actually watching the show. No hard feelings, and keep'm comin'
It developed over an extended period of on-screen time, and was tied nicely into the overarching plot in which "the wheel will make things happen the way they have to in order to reach the desired outcome", in that he needed a partner who could help train him and fill in the gaps of his developing leadership skills (she is a formally trained future accountant from/for royalty), inspire sufficient love from him to ground him in reality during his wolf training, and watch his back politically.
However, a HUGE gripe is that it all could have been accomplished in a third of the pages. The prisoner/rescue story line was my least favorite, not for content, but for the sometimes agonizing length, and unnecessary side stories for Faile and her fellow prisoners.
And Faile was generally unlikable
There are many legitimate criticisms of the way Jordan wrote relationships. It seems fierce love either came out of nowhere, or developed like Chinese water torture, with very little in between
I do NOT understand the Non sequitur that, because of Jordan's romantic-storytelling shortcomings , "it just makes sense" for the show to completely alter what those relationships are, rather than simply composing a more organic and interesting version of the same romance for the viewer
I am very much enjoying this ongoing conversation in lieu of actually watching the show. No hard feelings, and keep'm comin'
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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It is a hit. It’s Amazon largest season 1 ratings of all time.
Based on what? It's not even close to the ratings of the Boys.
Unless you meant to say number of people watching the show rather than ratings?
Cause a rating of 7.5 on IMDb, 76 audience rating on rotten tomatoes, and 3.6 on Amazon itself isn't that impressive.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:22 pm to auyushu
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Unless you meant to say number of people watching the show rather than ratings?
That's what ratings are.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:40 pm to Warfox
“It’s me.”
That’s it. The big reveal. No need to show one of the most important moments in the novels. Chop all that heroes journey nonsense out so we can have the made up triangle drama with Egwene, Perrin, and Rand.
“It’s Me!”
Such a shite show of less than fan fiction. Rafe Judkins is the poor man’s Ryan Johnson. Lore destroying shits more concerned with “the message” than an epic heroes journey.
“It’s me.”
That’s it. The big reveal. No need to show one of the most important moments in the novels. Chop all that heroes journey nonsense out so we can have the made up triangle drama with Egwene, Perrin, and Rand.
“It’s Me!”
Such a shite show of less than fan fiction. Rafe Judkins is the poor man’s Ryan Johnson. Lore destroying shits more concerned with “the message” than an epic heroes journey.
“It’s me.”
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:24 pm to LSUBoo
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It's definitely moving in the right direction finally, minus the weird Egwene/Perrin/Rand crap.
Lmao. That dipshit Rafe made it a love triangle didn’t he?
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:38 pm to Fun Bunch
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I know Min is older than Rand, but she looks to be a good 10+ years older in the series.
The actress is 10ish years older than Josha so makes sense. She is a little too old in my opinion, but again yall get bent out of shape about the smallest stuff.
This show just isn't going to be for you. Its 14 books. A ton of stuff is going to be changed. Min being 4 years older than you imagined is pretty far down the list of changes that bother me or that matter.
Agree, she was honestly the casting that I really hated initially, just completely opposite of what I was thinking but she was good in this episode and captured the character IMO.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:45 pm to luvdoc
I really never liked Faile or Perrin. She seemed to be kind of high and mighty given her upbringing. Perrin I just never liked, hard to say specifically why but he just didn't capture my attention.
All that said, although Faile immediatley being enraptured with Perrin is suspect, overall this relationship had more development than most in the series. She helped him reach his potential and I think he latched on to a person who never wavered. (also should note the prisoner / rescue storyline was 1/2 book active plot included over 3 books).
On this I am 100% with you, guessing how they are handling events, combining storylines, etc. is the most fun with Wheel of Time i've had in about a decase.
All that said, although Faile immediatley being enraptured with Perrin is suspect, overall this relationship had more development than most in the series. She helped him reach his potential and I think he latched on to a person who never wavered. (also should note the prisoner / rescue storyline was 1/2 book active plot included over 3 books).
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I am very much enjoying this ongoing conversation in lieu of actually watching the show. No hard feelings, and keep'm comin'
On this I am 100% with you, guessing how they are handling events, combining storylines, etc. is the most fun with Wheel of Time i've had in about a decase.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:53 pm to Fun Bunch
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There is zero chemistry between some of these characters like Lan and Nynaeve. It's also hard to buy that any of the main kids have a real bond between them given both the mediocre writing and acting.
This is all extremely book accurate
This is where it is interesting looking at people reacting to the shows IMO. Book readers see that Lan has more emotional reactions while lots of show watcher only people I have seen onlinr feel that it is wooden acting and distracts from the immersion.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:57 pm to PhineasFreakaZoid
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It's definitely moving in the right direction finally, minus the weird Egwene/Perrin/Rand crap.
Lmao. That dip shite Rafe made it a love triangle didn’t he?
Seems like Perrin was just friendzoned. Some of Egwene's comments and reactions feel a little self-delusional (for lack of a better word) but that parallels how I felt for her character in the books.
she fully bought in and lied to herself in terms of how she interacted with the other EF5 sometimes. I always loved the scene where Matt kneels and accepts her as amyrlin in Salidar before they go after the bowl of the winds, even though that is 100% Matt to suppport and prop up his friend from home in the face of all the bitchy Aes Sedai.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 2:40 am to Sneaky__Sally
I've seen a bunch of complaints about the "love triangle" but really its just Perrin that gets screwed character wise. He comes off really badly between this and the dead wife.
But its not really a triangle at all. Egwene has no interest in Perrin and chooses Rand repeatedly every step of the way, including like 10 seconds after this sequence.
Only theory I've seen that makes any sense as to why they included this was to keep Faile's jealousy intact while cutting Berelain from the show. Now it will be Faile being jealous of Egwene. Still doesnt really make a ton of sense.
Another interesting theory someone had: that they are getting rid of Gawyn (or at least Gawyn/Egwene) and that Egwene would be one of Rand's 3 beautiful women mentioned by Min, most likely taking the place of Elayne which is part of why they skipped her entirely this season. Not sure I buy it, but it would be pretty interesting and go some ways to justify all the screen time Rand/Egwene are getting as a couple comparatively.
Other than that, this episode was fantastic, and the rewatchability is off the charts. Knowing what Rand is going through/thinking post Ways really shows that actor's chops. He has purposely been sidelined most of the season for the mystery aspect, but now I buy that he can carry the show moving forward which I wasnt sure of before.
But its not really a triangle at all. Egwene has no interest in Perrin and chooses Rand repeatedly every step of the way, including like 10 seconds after this sequence.
Only theory I've seen that makes any sense as to why they included this was to keep Faile's jealousy intact while cutting Berelain from the show. Now it will be Faile being jealous of Egwene. Still doesnt really make a ton of sense.
Another interesting theory someone had: that they are getting rid of Gawyn (or at least Gawyn/Egwene) and that Egwene would be one of Rand's 3 beautiful women mentioned by Min, most likely taking the place of Elayne which is part of why they skipped her entirely this season. Not sure I buy it, but it would be pretty interesting and go some ways to justify all the screen time Rand/Egwene are getting as a couple comparatively.
Other than that, this episode was fantastic, and the rewatchability is off the charts. Knowing what Rand is going through/thinking post Ways really shows that actor's chops. He has purposely been sidelined most of the season for the mystery aspect, but now I buy that he can carry the show moving forward which I wasnt sure of before.
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