re: Westworld S01E05 - "Contrapasso" Thread

Jesus man put down the tin foil you are making into hats

I think there's a chance the MiB is the representative of the corporate board that Ford referred to when he told the chick the board had already sent a representative.

He also said to someone at one point, "this time I'm not leaving," or something to that effect.

Whatever the case, he's trying to get to the bottom of what Ford has created and thinks the only way he can get his answers is by going deeper into the game.

just trying to think outside the box, I actually haven't read any theories outside this board (and I'm not really feeling the multiple timelines, outside of flashbacks).

But I get the sense there's SOME twist written into this, there's too much deliberate hinting to not be.

My "all the real humans are dead and the hosts are perpetually running" theory- just kinda talking out my arse, but it's actually a pretty common theme in sci fi.

Without real humans running the show (the park), you'd end up with pre-programmed archetypes running it instead; classic scatterminded programmer of stories (forgot the dude's name), introspective and lonely Bernard tending to the host's psyche, and trying to make them more human, generic ruthless ambitious power executive woman, grandfatherly yet somewhat megalomaniacal Ford (really, Ford? Why not Colt or Edison, while we're at it) over it all.
MiB- maybe the host general or whatever, that led to the demise of humanity; he's back to somehow try to re-integrate, or make amends... who knows.

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I think at some point, his relationship with BiL is going to sour, and being immersed in this fantasy, he's going to end up killing BiL before he realizes what he's really acting on.

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Not too bad.

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Not real sure how MiB plays into this; hell, maybe he's William's future father in law.

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Definitely not out of the realm of possibility, but seems unlikely

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Maybe Ford (or Arnold) will have to make a host BiL to avoid the heat for this.

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Woah.

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Do we know what kind of foundation the MiB has?

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Most likely something in the medical field since that other guest wanted to thank him for saving his sister's life.

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The park employees collected dead Lawrence from where the MiB killed him, reconditioned him, and reset him in his story line just in time for Dolores and Krewe to meet up with him in Pariah.

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I agree with this, too, Napoleon. The MiB told the boy host that someone would be along to clean up Lawrence shortly.

I'm wondering whether Arnold, who didn't like interacting with people, somehow figured out how to transfer his consciousness into some kind of core server or something, so now he can communicate with the hosts. Given the technology available, it's feasible that someone would have accomplished something like the singularity that Ray Kurzweil is anticipating. Maybe Ford found out, and he has been trying to track down and eliminate Arnold's consciousness, so he has total control of the park. Or maybe Ford wants Arnold to reveal how he achieved it. Who knows? Maybe Ford has already figured it out, and he's something similar to a host - which would explain how he was apparently able to control the hosts with his mind.

Imagine what someone could accomplish if he weaponized the hosts, developed their ability for critical thinking to some extent, but could still control them with his thoughts. Even if it was just for purposes of competition in the marketplace, there would be a ton of people interested in corporate espionage. We don't even know what regulations are in place, because we don't know where the park is. The waiver on the show's website only mentions "the territory."

I honestly have no idea where the show is going. I like that there are a ton of possibilities.

I'm going to be upset if Arnold is the Architect from the Matrix sitting in a room with a few thousand monitors manipulating everything.

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Hey, fricker. Lets keep movie shite out of here or with at the least a spoiler tag. Not everyone wants the movie information.

This is a spoiler prediction that was inspired by the old movies, at least in concept. scroll down if you want to read:










































More on replacement BiL theory:

Thinking about that, then the plot becomes clear for the rest of the season:

a) BiL gets killed somehow. William or otherwise. William is aware, and so is the monitoring work crew, which goes all the way up to Ford.

b) decision made to build a replacement host; you want to make sure it can fool those who know him. William is obvious candidate to test it out on; and since William knows BiL is dead- you have to get rid of him too.

c) William is hunted, but luckily for him, he's with one of the few hosts capable of thinking beyond the loop, Delores, who also happens to have flashbacks that may aid in recognizing friend from foe.

d) Delores appears to have the keyphrase that unleashes the hosts from the loop (and their safety settings), so she can lead William to "bad guys" and try to recruit a defense crew. (We saw Maeve do this with gangster cowboy, he's now possibly a rogue too; and he's programmed to be a capable killer. I see him as an ally upcoming, a "bodyguard").

e) Delores and cowboy killer host (is that Hector?)... he already has the Indian spiritual beliefs that the work crew are evil spirits, the concept can form that William is an "angel" or good spirit needing help, and that would "impact their eternal souls" (and thus stay completely within the programming we've already seen).

f) Maeve would join too, as she is on to this plan at some conceptual level (she's aware). She might seriously distrust William, but her knowledge of the inside of the worker's buildings will come in useful.

g) yada yada; MiB becomes involved at some point, good or bad.
My first guess is BAD. Try this on for size:

After BiL's death prompts the decision to replace both him and William, the staff needs William dead. They send hosts after him, but the hosts can't kill him, they can only abduct him.
The outlaws William and Delores recruit, maybe including Wyatt, are able to "kill" the attacking hosts, and protect William.
MiB, who's ok with the plan and ready for a new game, hunts William down, and because he's human, he can kill off the outlaw protecters.
But Delores, who's shown she can kill (a fly), finally kills MiB, who's so unconcerned about her as a threat (a host he's already raped), that he doesn't even try to protect himself. MiB dies with a look of disbelief on his face, and maybe a little happiness about it all- he finally got the surprise he wanted!
We have the Delores flashbacks about him, so that pushes her over the edge to actually kill him.