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re: Westworld S01E05 - "Contrapasso" Thread

Posted on 11/1/16 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 8:36 pm to
I think some of the TDers are starting to get lost in mazes of their own making.
Posted by Gugich22
Who Dat Nation
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:43 pm to
I don't know. The whole orgy scene from start to finish was weird, especially the card reading and Delores talking to "herself"
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:49 pm to
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I think it's the opposite. William and Lawrence are there in that timeline but she's remembering when you see her "alone". Like the scene where Anthony Hopkins talks to her and when he leaves the room she's talking to "someone" while she's "alone" (I'm assuming she talking to Arnold who is imbedded in her AI memory).


I'm more or less with you on this interpretation. Delores talks to herself all the time now. Or talks to an unseen Arnold. This is the robot equivalent of schizophrenia - at least at this point.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:25 pm to
Now that's a HFS realization. Just like when Tom Marvolo Riddle was rearranged to say "I Am Lord Voldemort" in the Chamber of Secrets. MIND = BLOWN
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:31 pm to
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Lawrence was with MiB and the he was dead (MiB even says someone will be along to get him shortly). Then Ford puts Dolores to sleep and meets with her. The next morning they run into Lawrence.


They run into Lawrence because he died and his loop started over. This was done to show us what Lawrence was up to before MIB found him about to be hanged.

A. If you die, your loop starts over.
B. If you complete your loop for the day, it starts over when you wake up.
C.If you wander off course with a real human on their adventure or if someone changes your loop, you keep going until A or B happens.

I believe everyone is on the same timeline so far.
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 10:50 pm to
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"I wouldn't say friends, Dolores. I wouldn't say that at all


I think Ford said that bc of the awful things that he has set up for her loop for so many years. I mean, her current loop before she went off track consisted of going to town each day and coming home to her family being murdered and she gets raped.
Posted by iluvdatiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:02 pm to
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Additionally, what is up with Dolores not wearing clothes when being interviewed by Ford but fully clothed and in a different area when being interviewed by Bernard?

I think it depends on whether she is asleep and dreaming or if she is awake and being tapped into by bernard or ford.
Posted by moock blackjack
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:08 pm to
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Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:11 pm to
quote:

I think some of the TDers are starting to get lost in mazes of their own making.



There are some people who can't see the forest for the trees. And then there are people who can't see the forest because they're busy rattling off every possible thing the wood could be used for in the future so that one day, when they drive past a fence post, they'll be able to say "See I told you so!"
Posted by STLhog
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 8:55 am to
Haven't read the thread but the Maze is def. a Turing test and once you get there, you're going to die.

That much I'm certain about.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:38 am to
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Reddit can frick you up with this show. So is the MiB some kind of authority in Delos or is he just that knowledgeable of the park?



I'm pretty sure he's a world famous billionaire who invested heavily in the park and thus has unlimited time in it.

Obviously has some sort of foundation outside of the park that saves people too.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:43 am to
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Haven't read the thread but the Maze is def. a Turing test and once you get there, you're going to die.


They said the hosts have passed the Turing test already. Ford said this in his office to Bernard.

Otherwise, yes, that would make sense. Maybe its something beyond the Turing. Its definitely the road to consciousness IMO.

Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:45 am to
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They run into Lawrence because he died and his loop started over. This was done to show us what Lawrence was up to before MIB found him about to be hanged.


I understand your argument and I agree that this is a possibility.

One thing that I contend is that Lawrence has a different personality and seems much more affluent when he is with Williams and Delores. Just seems like a completely different person/host. I believe the MiB actually says to him something along the lines of "you [referring to Lawrence] used to be much more eloquent".
It seems to me Lawrence has been reprogrammed, but I'm probably reaching at straws.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:57 pm to
It's like Ford has been punishing MIB timeline Lawrence and Dolores for doing something in the William timeline.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:00 pm to
the show is much more fun to watch than to talk/read about
it's the opposite of the walking dead
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95518 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 5:48 pm to
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the show is much more fun to watch than to talk/read about


True.

quote:

it's the opposite of the walking dead


Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23221 posts
Posted on 11/3/16 at 1:48 am to
FYI, all the songs we've talked about are available on iTunes now, for those willing to pay.

Or on YouTube

The full versions are pretty cool.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 1:49 am
Posted by txbd
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/3/16 at 10:08 am to
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at least we stopped talking about multiple time lines for almost a page.


All Evidence for Multiple Timeline Theory in One Video
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
13859 posts
Posted on 11/3/16 at 10:35 am to
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All Evidence for Multiple Timeline Theory in One Video



I watched that yesterday. It is rather convincing. I really don't like it, but it is hard to explain away the different fonts on the can, different "bumping" guys, and different people recruiting. However, the control room still ties the two "periods" together.

If this is true, then Stubbs (and other "employees") definitely has to be a host. Also, there are really 3 different time periods of interest:

1. 34 years ago: Arnold's death (occurs before William and and Logan arrive).

2. 30 years ago: William/Logan/Dolores

3. "Present day": MiB

Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
58103 posts
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:52 pm to
Hmmm. Could the MIB be William's partner?
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