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Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:16 pm to The_Joker
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I wonder if Ford hired the world's worst security team on purpose
I'm only half-joking - what if the security team is made up of hosts and this was another part of the script?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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what if the security team is made up of hosts
thats one of the problems with shows like this. at any point, it seems writers can just choose to make someone a host or not as they see fit.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:27 pm to BlacknGold
a major problem with the "the person isn't dead. a host version of them died" angle, too
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's only a problem if they actually do it. Bernard/Arnold was a huge key to the this season. I hope that's the end of it.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:31 pm to ell_13
oh that's why i said "angle"
i just mean it as a tool/crutch. once is fine but twice? frick that
i just mean it as a tool/crutch. once is fine but twice? frick that
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:34 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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quote:Just as Dr. Ford made the ultimate sacrifice to give his creations freedom to evolve on their own so too did the show creators/writers in sacrificing Hopkins' character for the greater good/development of the series going forward. /salute I think that was a Ford host body double. Ford is still alive
Possible but not plausible IMO; it would ruin the premise of the ultimate sacrifice in setting the hosts free to evolve on their own.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:39 pm to GurleyGirl
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Possible but not plausible IMO; it would ruin the premise of the ultimate sacrifice in setting the hosts free to evolve on their own.
And people seem to be missing the Ford redemption. He has been the one tinkering with their code trying to complete Arnold's goal. Even creating Bernard was part of his attempt to get the host to full consciousness. I thought he made it clear that he was "arnold" who had been messing with their code in secret.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:39 pm to ell_13
[quote]It wasn't obvious that Ford was setting up the hosts to revolt? When he left the gun for Dolores I knew exactly what was going to happen to him too. [/quote/]
All through the season, Ford was one step ahead of everybody AND knew what everyone was doing. But Maeve's actions did not register a blip on Ford's radar.There was the tweaks to Maeve's program that went unexplained. That was because Ford programed Maeve and tweaked her program. Delos even unwittingly prepared Ford with Maeve's army.
The only thing that I can't figure out is how was Ford able to clone Arnold with his memories intact. If Dolores blew Arnold's brains out, his memories would be damaged. Or could she really harm a human? Remember, that was 35 years ago. She was not programed yet to be able to squeeze a trigger.
All through the season, Ford was one step ahead of everybody AND knew what everyone was doing. But Maeve's actions did not register a blip on Ford's radar.There was the tweaks to Maeve's program that went unexplained. That was because Ford programed Maeve and tweaked her program. Delos even unwittingly prepared Ford with Maeve's army.
The only thing that I can't figure out is how was Ford able to clone Arnold with his memories intact. If Dolores blew Arnold's brains out, his memories would be damaged. Or could she really harm a human? Remember, that was 35 years ago. She was not programed yet to be able to squeeze a trigger.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:51 pm to LSU2NO
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The only thing that I can't figure out is how was Ford able to clone Arnold with his memories intact.
He didn't clone him, he created him and programmed his memory. It took Ford a very long time to accomplish this goal.
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Or could she really harm a human? Remember, that was 35 years ago. She was not programed yet to be able to squeeze a trigger.
Ford stated that Arnold messed with their programming to allow it, hence it did not truly cause her awakening. Only when she willfully chose to kill a human (Ford) was she truly awoken.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:11 pm to guedeaux
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He didn't clone him, he created him and programmed his memory. It took Ford a very long time to accomplish this goal.
No, Arnold was a real person. Notice the real Arnold didn't have glasses. Now Ford could have created an android Arnold before Arnold died. I also think that Delores is Ford's memories and persona. Ford is now immersed in this world he created. Also, it allows Anthony Hopkins to exit the series.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:14 pm to LSU2NO
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No, Arnold was a real person. Notice the real Arnold didn't have glasses. Now Ford could have created an android Arnold before Arnold died. I also think that Delores is Ford's memories and persona. Ford is now immersed in this world he created. Also, it allows Anthony Hopkins to exit the series.
Wait. What? You think that they showed Dolores killing a fake Arnold?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:21 pm to guedeaux
Who was the guy storming off with Ford yelling "ARNOLD!" Then that's also in the picture?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:31 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Who was the guy storming off with Ford yelling "ARNOLD!" Then that's also in the picture?
That's Arnold.
Bernard is the host-version of Arnold. Bernard is not a clone of Arnold.
Dolores killed Arnold.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
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The Mauve thing was a total ruse. She was acting on a script the whole time and in the end she didn't escape and went back because that was part of her script. It was to create mayhem in the building so security was distracted.
Not sure about this. Mauve wanted to erase the pain and memory of her daughter, probably because it would keep her from getting out.
I think she was suppose to get out or whoever programmed her wanted her out.
However, because of her memory of the loss of her daughter, she chose to stay. Perhaps the paper given to her with the exact location was ultimately a test.
It was William who killed her daughter meaning it wasn't a programmed memory, like the one with Bernard and his kid. Her suffering defined her and in a way created her.
I'm just sayin' I think there's more to Mauve.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:38 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Who was the guy storming off with Ford yelling "ARNOLD!" Then that's also in the picture?
Does it matter?
I can tell you from rewatching the first couple of episodes, there are scenes with the real Arnold (looks like Bernard, isn't) and Dolores.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:42 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Mauve wanted to erase the pain and memory of her daughter, probably because it would keep her from getting out.
I think she was suppose to get out or whoever programmed her wanted her out.
She wouldn't have gotten as far as she did without that memory. Her whole mind would've been fricked up without the cornerstone of grief.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:42 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
After re-watching some of the earlier episodes during the marathon yesterday I was really surprised at how easy it was to tell the difference between Arnold and Bernard.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:43 pm to guedeaux
quote:exactly. So why did they show us Dolores kill Bernard not Arnold?
That's Arnold.
Bernard is the host-version of Arnold. Bernard is not a clone of Arnold.
Dolores killed Arnold.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:43 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:I called it her cornerstone memory earlier in the thread and that was wrong. It's something different. A truly tragic/traumatic past or experience that, according to Ford, is what really wakes up the hosts.
It was William who killed her daughter meaning it wasn't a programmed memory, like the one with Bernard and his kid. Her suffering defined her and in a way created her.
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