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Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:54 am to Veritas
I enjoy the Veidt scenes. That's what has kept me interested in it. Also like Laurie being back. However, Tulsa being the racism capital of the country and it being as big an issue as the Nuclear Clock in the 80s seems really arbitrary and forced. It could have been an entirely separate show.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:59 am to schatman
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However, Tulsa being the racism capital of the country and it being as big an issue as the Nuclear Clock in the 80s seems really arbitrary and forced.
To the show's credit, they set up this big race war with masked cops as the serious backdrop/threat of the series, then in the third episode they had Laurie show up to point and laugh at it all.
Seems like every episode has introduced some major player that draws the story further and further from the racism theme.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:04 am to stateofplay
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If Dr. Manhattan created these "people" why does he let Veidt just kill them?
People ask that question to God every day
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:29 am to Fewer Kilometers
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To the show's credit, they set up this big race war with masked cops as the serious backdrop/threat of the series, then in the third episode they had Laurie show up to point and laugh at it all.
Seems like every episode has introduced some major player that draws the story further and further from the racism theme.
i wanted to check back in on this. i dropped off after the second episode because of the race theme (and tying it to Rorschach) combined with King and Lindeloff's comments.
have they tied/twisted that to anything else or is it still just "white supremacists are an existential threat?"
not wanting any sort of argument, i made my opinion known a few weeks ago, but i was curious if it was as black and white as it appeared.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:42 am to Cap Crunch
To add on. Veidt managed to blindspot Jon by screwing with tachyons and getting them to travel backwards. Which screwed with Jon's ability to exist in his timeline all at once.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 10:54 am to 3nOut
quote:Tulsa is still the focal point. Race war is still the backdrop. But they've added three major outside players so far who are outside of the race war and expand the story far beyond what we dealt with in the first two episodes.
i wanted to check back in on this. i dropped off after the second episode because of the race theme (and tying it to Rorschach) combined with King and Lindeloff's comments.
have they tied/twisted that to anything else or is it still just "white supremacists are an existential threat?"
not wanting any sort of argument, i made my opinion known a few weeks ago, but i was curious if it was as black and white as it appeared.
If you saw the race problem in the first two episodes as being portrayed as an existential threat, I can't say that they've lessened its importance. But it's obvious at this point that it's not the only threat or the main threat. And the last two episodes have intertwined with the graphic novel (as opposed to the first two, which seemed to just pull random visuals and quotes from the book).
If I rated the episodes, they would go 3,4,1,2.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:24 am to 3nOut
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i wanted to check back in on this. i dropped off after the second episode because of the race theme (and tying it to Rorschach) combined with King and Lindeloff's comments.
have they tied/twisted that to anything else or is it still just "white supremacists are an existential threat?"
not wanting any sort of argument, i made my opinion known a few weeks ago, but i was curious if it was as black and white as it appeared.
I think, fwiw, it's only there to tie everything in together between Angela Abar and Will Reeves who apparently was the little boy skirted out off town in the opening scenes of E1 during the Tulsa riots.
My guess is that everything is a smoke screen but having Will Reeves now heavily involved with Lady Trieu implies a revenge factor because I'm fairly sure Lady Trieu is looking for revenge for Hiroshima or Nagasaki and that her daughter is a clone of her mother or grandmother.
Which brings us to the other smokescreen .... the Klan grand wizard outfit found in Judd's closet. Nor does any of this explain why Topher, Angela's and Cal's daughter, is obviously at least half white if not all white ..... unless I missed that somewhere. And why was Judd so close to Angela. It wasn't just because they were both survivors, it was something else .... I'm thinking Angela may have had a relationship with Judd's son before he was killed maybe. Because Judd was definitely trying to take down the plane with the owlship when he crashed .... and it wasn't for the optics. He was out for blood.
Everything is kinda convoluted but it's about to be cleared up and it may include an old racism/revenge angle as a smoke screen, but it doesn't appear to me to be the root cause of where things are headed. Something much deeper is going on .... most obviously because Veidt is involved and now Laurie and always Dr. Manhattan.
Also, one last thing and I may be wrong about this. But I'm still not sure it was someone in an Owl Ship that took, and later dropped, Laurie's car. I know they did a U-Turn and want us to believe that but it doesn't make sense. I mean why hand the evidence over to Laurie of Will Reeve's fingerprints (which immediately set Angela on her path of discovery with the ancestor tree) and it gave Laurie the knowledge that Will Reeves was in the wheel chair at the crime scene. So I still believe dropping the car was Dr Manhattan's handiwork.
Big thumbs, no time to review for errors so I hope the above is readable.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:34 am to scrooster
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Nor does any of this explain why Topher, Angela's and Cal's daughter, is obviously at least half white if not all white ..... unless I missed that somewhere.
He's a boy.
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"Their boy Christopher heard the gunshots and took his sister and the baby and hid in the closet."
"Topher. He goes by Topher."
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:43 am to scrooster
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because I'm fairly sure Lady Trieu is looking for revenge for Hiroshima or Nagasaki and that her daughter is a clone of her mother or grandmother.
Whoa, where did this theory come from?
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Which brings us to the other smokescreen .... the Klan grand wizard outfit found in Judd's closet....
Judd was definitely trying to take down the plane with the owlship when he crashed .... and it wasn't for the optics. He was out for blood.
Yeah Angela doesnt seem to believe that is was Judds. I mean she's clearly hesitant but even looking glass dismissed it with ease, talking about it being an older Klan outfit. Will also made it known that that is just kind of a stepping stone to the bigger issue.
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So I still believe dropping the car was Dr Manhattan's handiwork.
I thought it was as well at first. It was almost like it was letting her know that he was listening to her and almost like a response to her joke. Although he really doesnt have a sense of humor. But But I dont really see why he would have chosen Angela's car to be the one he used. Laurie didnt care at all that it was Angela's car.
Also, nect week we get a looking glass origin story
Should be pretty good. "The origin story of Looking Glass is at last revealed, as is the truth behind the greatest hoax in American history; The Smartest Man in the World plots a daring escape."
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:52 am to Fewer Kilometers
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He's a boy
LOL ... damn sure is. And I wondered about that because Topher is short for Christopher.
But damn that boy looks like a girl to my old eyes.
I was torn when typing it.
Okay .... so why is he white because neither Angela or Cal have an ounce of white in their blood obviously. There has got to be a deeper Judd connection there because the kids treated Judd like PaPa.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:55 am to scrooster
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Okay .... so why is he white because neither Angela or Cal have an ounce of white in their blood obviously.
They're her dead partner's kids. They took them in after the White Night.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:58 am to Fewer Kilometers
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He's a boy.
What? For sure thought that a girl
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:58 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Yeah Angela doesnt seem to believe that is was Judds. I mean she's clearly hesitant but even looking glass dismissed it with ease, talking about it being an older Klan outfit. Will also made it known that that is just kind of a stepping stone to the bigger issue.
Since L.G. said that the hood/robe/badge were "old school", I'm wondering if Judd's grandfather was involved in the Tulsa massacre, pitting his family against Angela's.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:11 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I thought it was as well at first. It was almost like it was letting her know that he was listening to her and almost like a response to her joke. Although he really doesnt have a sense of humor. But But I dont really see why he would have chosen Angela's car to be the one he used. Laurie didnt care at all that it was Angela's car.
Dr Manhattan gave Laurie a huge clue to what is going on by dropping that car. That car connected Will Reeves to everything .... and it wasn't just a clue for Laurie, but a clue for Angela as well.
Laurie and Angela are joining forces and they are going to make a fairly formidable team getting to the bottom of all of this.
What was a little bit confusing was tying the two episodes in together ... Space Junk and My History. The two timelines were off until the car dropped in My History when Angela was leaving the Ancestry Tree. Then it was brought back in-line and the two characters emerged, or joined forces. Dr Manhattan orchestrated that to some degree and for a purpose imho, I'm just not sure what that purpose is other than he sees a need for it somehow .... because this is all minor nothingness to him, or is it?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:30 pm to scrooster
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I'm fairly sure Lady Trieu is looking for revenge for Hiroshima or Nagasaki and that her daughter is a clone of her mother or grandmother.
I doubt its Japan, more likely Vietnam. He spoke to Angela in Vietnamese while she and Laurie were there, and it just makes more sense in the Watchmen universe where the US won the Vietnam war and colonized it afterwards.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:36 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Since L.G. said that the hood/robe/badge were "old school", I'm wondering if Judd's grandfather was involved in the Tulsa massacre, pitting his family against Angela's.
This seems to be addressed in one of the Peteypedia docs from last week. There is a letter from 1955 from J. David Keene, presumably the congressman's father/grandfather and person behind the Keene act, to Judd's father/grandfather, who was the Sheriff at the time
The letter is kinda KKKesque and he signs it "AKIA", which apparently means "A Klansman I am".
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:24 pm to Veritas
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So I just watched the movie after already watching the first 3 episodes. I like this show even more now.
I need to do this - is the movie streaming anywhere currently?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:34 pm to Jwodie
Prime may have it.
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