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re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:06 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:06 pm to lsupride87
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The only redeeming quality they showed about Hank was that he loved his son and wanted to makeup for his mistakes. They showed it over and over and over again
I mean 2-3 episodes ago he was pimp slapping his son. He was a shite father. They weren’t showing how he wanted to make up for his mistakes over and over and over. The “I saved your life when you were a kid and I’ve thought about that a lot lately” fell completely flat because of what a douche he is.
That was probably the best episode overall for me, which isn’t saying much. Pretty much only watching for Pete at this point. Him and Navarro are the only two likable characters on the show and he is the only one I actually care about what happens to.
The actual mystery/case in general is so bad.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:15 pm to finchmeister08
Been fighting some wicked strain of flu/Covid but finally got around to watching episode 5. WTF? M. Night himself couldn't pull out a twist to save this show. They didn't even address Navarro and the Christmas tree. I wish Prior would have offed Danvers and Navarro after Hank, and just ended this shiteshow.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:25 pm to lsupride87
This show is so disjointed and directionless. It’s like they go around aimlessly doing random things then all of the sudden Prior finds something on google and poof the next step is revealed. The detectives don’t discover anything and have no talent or skill for their job other than having pointless characters do the work for them while they slog through their personal melodrama.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:38 pm to Madking
That was the longest hour of a tv episode
Holy hell it took forever
So ready for this to end
Holy hell it took forever
So ready for this to end
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:06 pm to lsupride87
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The only redeeming quality they showed about Hank was that he loved his son and wanted to makeup for his mistakes. They showed it over and over and over again. Then at the end of his arc, he does quite possibly the worst possible thing a father could do to his son. It’s shite writing. Literally the last sequence we have with the two of them is Hank telling the story of him saving his son and the fear he had almost losing him
I think you are gonna find that you are in the minority with this one.
Hank is a POS.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:01 pm to 632627
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I guess this hasn't been brought up recently, but what spooked all the caribou in the very first scene?
They read the scripts for the show
Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:09 am to lsupride87
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Hank to do suicide by cop making his own son shoot him
Let me say it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that I wasn't paying close enough attention but are we sure that's what happened? I haven't seen that sentiment anywhere else other than by you specifically in this thread.
From my recolleciton Hank was bitter about being passed for the top job years back and now that corporate lady is going to pull the strings to let him have it. She basically says in no certain words that the german guy needs to be gotten rid of. So Hank goes there and kills the guy which was all part of the plan. Eventually danvers and his son are there and see what's happened so it was my understanding that he was going to kill danvers just to have one less witness here and then he'd figure shite out wiht his son later, amybe he just assumed his son wouldn't tell on him? I don't know. It just seems like a small bit of a leap to say that him raising the gun in an attempt to kill danvers was done simply as a cataylst to get his son to kill him.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:38 am to WG_Dawg
This show has ADHD 
Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:54 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't know. It just seems like a small bit of a leap to say that him raising the gun in an attempt to kill danvers was done simply as a cataylst to get his son to kill him.
Yeah I didn't take it as a suicide either. I took it as he thought his son would stand down and side with his dad.
If only there were decent writers who could have made this clear instead of this ambiguous mess of a scene.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:00 am to WG_Dawg
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? I don't know. It just seems like a small bit of a leap to say that him raising the gun in an attempt to kill danvers was done simply as a cataylst to get his son to kill him.
What?
His confession about Annie K should have sealed any doubt. He doesn't confess to "just moving the body" if he thinks he's living.
He did suicide via cop, which is the issue, when he could have just...done suicide. Again, in all of her attempts to be clever, Lopez missed one of the biggest ironic situations. I guess she was doin a "time is a flat circle"
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:19 am to Madking
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The detectives don’t discover anything and have no talent or skill for their job
Which only makes me love Marty and Rust even more.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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He did suicide via cop, which is the issue, when he could have just...done suicide
Agree, but the the whole situation is weird because he told Kate that he wouldn't kill anyone, he's not a killer and then he goes and shoots Otis, followed up by a kill shot.
Seems like he escalated it passed the level he could turn back on and he wanted to be relieved of existence, but shitty for him to make his kid do it.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:25 am to Lsut81
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Agree, but the the whole situation is weird because he told Kate that he wouldn't kill anyone, he's not a killer and then he goes and shoots Otis, followed up by a kill shot.
Seems like he escalated it passed the level he could turn back on and he wanted to be relieved of existence, but shitty for him to make his kid do it.
I fully agree the writing is a mess in the lead up to the scenario.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I fully agree the writing is a mess in the lead up to the scenario.
The writing is a mess throughout this entire season... What a clusterfrick.
But like I said, its a trainwreck and I can't look away.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:46 am to lsupride87
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The only redeeming quality they showed about Hank was that he loved his son and wanted to makeup for his mistakes. They showed it over and over and over again. Then at the end of his arc, he does quite possibly the worst possible thing a father could do to his son. It’s shite writing.
Literally the last sequence we have with the two of them is Hank telling the story of him saving his son and the fear he had almost losing him
Next scene
Hank forcing his son to kill him and possibly fricking over his entire life
It is a metaphor for toxic masculinity and the cycle it creates. The son is now kicked out of the house doomed to repeat the cycle with his kid
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
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Hank forcing his son to kill him and possibly fricking over his entire life
Just awful writing.
He 100% could have made Danvers do it some how but he was a piece of shite to the end.
Whats predictions for this cave?
I think its going to be something stupid, like a dumping area for some toxic chemical that hits water supply, and has some stupid hallucinogenic properties. There will be missing persons(s) chained up/trapped down there all zombied up due to the drugs.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:16 am to YumYum Sauce
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some toxic chemical that hits water supply, and has some stupid hallucinogenic properties
I tend to agree.
Perhaps some contamination from the mine and/or microorganisms that the scientists freed from the ice.
Would also explain the stampede off the cliff in the opening sequence, the increase in stillbirths, etc.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:50 am to YumYum Sauce
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I think its going to be something stupid, like a dumping area for some toxic chemical that hits water supply,
Yup, but then why the Carcosa symbol thats tied to ritualistic killings? Oh wait, I'm asking logical questions of a season that has none.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:40 pm to Lsut81
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Yup, but then why the Carcosa symbol thats tied to ritualistic killings?
Because the nativs like to do drugs and make up mystical things? Would be an easy out.
Scientists unearth a microorganism that feeds off the pollutant and when ingested makes you turn into a night walker. Easy Peasy.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:33 pm to lsupride87
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We never saw a single thing that would make Hank so damn evil he forces his son to kill him and ruin his sons entire life
Having the depth of his depravity be a surprise is what makes for drama. We knew someone in Ennis was involved in the murders and who was more likely than Hank? If he'd been murdering people on-screen the first 4 episodes, wouldn't have been much of a mystery.
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