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re: True Detective S1E7 "After You've Gone"

Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:40 pm to
Steve Geraci
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:44 pm to
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Guilty


It was seriously screwing me up. I was thinking my posts were disappearing or I was posting in the other thread when I meant to post in one... AAAHHH. I now know Carcosa
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:46 pm to
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So how do we explain the Audrey clues- misdirection and symbolism? I thought I read where NP said he wasn't trying to blow too much smoke up the audiences' asses....


Could also be a comment on society, e.g. "there is more than one way to frick up a daughter" or "not all teens are crazy because they were molested/abused" or "women be shoppin'"
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Snatchy
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:50 pm to
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listen, i'm gonna keep this short. the case is the play. if you read it, it drives you mad, and you fricking die. hart and cohle are just one pair of investigators that have fallen victim to it. detectives key and peele are at the beginning of their own investigation (visiting the church with the black preacher) right now. they're the next to go mad. how many sets of dudes fell prey to this shite before hart and cohle? plenty. because time is a flat circle. the play/case has always existed. it will always exist, and it will always kill those who begin reading it. that's why it exists, to drive people mad. just like this show.



Best theory yet.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by Billy Mays
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 4:59 pm to
The whole production seems like a satire being performed like a play by multiple families - Tuttle, Childress, Hart?.

Hell, Marty and his family could be in on the whole damn thing. They could be trolling Cohle right now, then will troll the two new detectives next. For example, last night, Marty finds this "victim" in New Orleans for Rusty in his police records - and this victim vividly remembers everything conveniently and tells Rust?

All the while the audience is being trolled as well (very cheeky NP )

I thought it was interesting how when Cohle showed up at first, Marty packs heat and basically says "frick this shite" and wants nothing to do with the investigation.

The all of a sudden he's already back in Cohle's storage shed and now he's all-in on the investigation again. Seems like a really, really quick change of heart.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:01 pm to
It's because Marty remembered how Rust saved his career.
Posted by Pax Regis
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:04 pm to
I wonder if next season is going to be two new detectives working on basically the same case with other cult members in another location. Time is a flat circle and all. Maybe the cult is the thread that connects the seasons and why there is no way all the unanswered questions get answered next week. Rust and Marty only take out one guy in the cult.
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:05 pm to
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The all of a sudden he's already back in Cohle's storage shed and now he's all-in on the investigation again. Seems like a really, really quick change of heart.


He walked into the storage shed ready to fire if shite went down, and Rust immediately, yet calmly, called him out to prove he was not a threat. Then, Marty saw all that shite and was overtaken by motherfricking Carcosa.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:06 pm to
That or or or, Maynard and Thomas get pulled in by Marty and Rust and all 4 become obsessed with the case. Season 2 is when they solve the whole thing.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:11 pm to
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For example, last night, Marty finds this "victim" in New Orleans for Rusty in his police records - and this victim vividly remembers everything conveniently and tells Rust?


Are you talking about the tranny in New Orleans? Because Rust found him on his own back in 2010, at least that's what I understood from the story last night.
Posted by Snatchy
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:13 pm to
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Are you talking about the tranny in New Orleans? Because Rust found him on his own back in 2010, at least that's what I understood from the story last night.



You are correct
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:19 pm to
Re-watching now. Missed what Rust and Marty said in the opening scene last night because my wife was singing Morning Angel by Juice Newton loudly last night, the song playing on the juke box.
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:22 pm to
If she was accurately signing along, that's somewhat impressive in its own right. It's kind of been forgotten.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:24 pm to
She loves that old song.
Posted by Billy Mays
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:30 pm to
Maybe I was thinking of the old black lady that Marty found.

She starts telling a story then proceeds to freak out and start yelling "Carcosa!!" El oh el. Quite a performance.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:35 pm to
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old black lady


After watching that episode, "This is the End" has been playing on the movie channels as well and she is the mean cashier that gets the AC unit dropped on her.
Posted by Fishwater
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:48 pm to
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I wonder if next season is going to be two new detectives working on basically the same case with other cult members in another location. Time is a flat circle and all. Maybe the cult is the thread that connects the seasons and why there is no way all the unanswered questions get answered next week. Rust and Marty only take out one guy in the cult.



No. Ive heard two female detectives and set in California.

Anyone have a contact with Nic Pizalotto? I have a great story for Season three that could be set inside New Orleans.
Posted by Tha Herg
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:51 pm to
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Anyone have a contact with Nic Pizalotto? I have a great story for Season three that could be set inside New Orleans.

I'm actually pretty suprised more people don't know him on this site. The guy was in a fraternity at LSU in the early 90's. That covers a good portion of the posters here.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:24 pm to
Finally got to watch a little bit ago.

I thought he may have met with Marty pre-interview. Come at me bro.

I still don't see Maggie being involved, especially since it wasn't their daughter on the video (and even then I'd still think it's a stretch). I just took her visit with Rust her showing concern about Marty and feeling guilty as hell not just for the shite she pulled before but for inadvertently adding more fuel to the "Rust is involved" flame with the detectives. And worried that Marty is going to get himself killed. As far as the daughter is concerned, color it a red herring and her "Daddy is a manwhore who doesn't love me" issues are just that.

The reddit theory that hitacular posted is intriguing and I can totally buy that.

Somebody earlier asked about "Carcosa". It's a city referred to extensively in "The King in Yellow" works by Robert W. Chambers. It's apparently a mysterious, and cursed, place. And otherworldly. In the King in Yellow it's located on the shores of Lake Hali in the Hyades (a star cluster). From the text itself (thanks Wiki):

quote:

Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
—"Cassilda's Song" in The King in Yellow Act 1, Scene 2


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