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re: True Detective S1E6 "Haunted Houses"
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:29 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:29 am to CocomoLSU
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It's like you want so badly to be able to "I told you so" everybody that all you're doing is sitting back and trying to find flaws so you can prove yourself right.
it's not really flaws, per se
like i said earlier. after the first episode i had a great deal of expectations b/c it presented such a rich canvas to work with. even though i had issues with the rust character, if he was used to paint the overall picture in a deep, interesting, engaging, rich, and creative way, i was down. the potential was off the charts, even with 8 episodes.
as the episodes have gone on, this potential peak has decreased (and a great deal the past 2 weeks, imho). we're 75% done and there hasn't been much characterization. the "present" storyline doesn't have much time to really develop into a climax. next episode is probably going to be 2 things: (1) rust getting marty to trust him and (2) a flipbook of information rust has accumulated over time, to basically skip the presentation of the investigation in the "present" so we speed into the final episode/resolution
in terms of the story, i don't think they have enough time to really develop the present. that's my opinion/prediction, and it could be wrong. i haven't been right about every prediction of the show up to this point for sure, for better (thinking great rack dadarrio would have a bigger role) or worse (tuttle and teh whole "omg religious people are really hiding their dark nature in a sinister cult" angle)
if it's not about the plot/story, then we've 75% done and there hasn't been any characterization. marty, especially after the last episode, is the same guy (we haven't really met "present" marty to have his character develop at all). maggie has changed, but went off the deep end of revenge/vengeance. past rust didn't change. present rust didn't change.
if it's not about the plot or the characters developing, then what do we have? a character study with one interesting character? a metaphysical drama that took 2 episodes to establish? what is the show and what do people expect?
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:30 am to Prominentwon
I've agreed with most of what he has said.
I still think the show is amazing.
I just enjoyed this episode the least.
I still think the show is amazing.
I just enjoyed this episode the least.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:30 am to Prominentwon
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the frick? Is there another Super Bowl that I don't know about?
the oscars are next sunday (i looked it up before the ep expecting the oscars to frick up the schedule)
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
is the preview online? my dvr cuts off before they come on.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's tough having this discussion with people from an area of conservative social values, though
Isn't this where the TD storyline is set, though? People are complaining about the "weak" female characters in the show, but that is "somewhat" common place in rural southern Louisiana, especially Vermilion Parish, where many families are still very "traditional".
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:33 am to bbap
i dunno. i know screen shots from it are in the predictions thread. i saw it after girls randomly last night when dvr went back to normal tv
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:33 am to bbap
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is the preview online? my dvr cuts off before they come on.
It's on HBOGO
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
You're not getting it. No one cares.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:35 am to Epic Cajun
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Isn't this where the TD storyline is set, though?
this is true and a fair point. i thought about it after while sitting in court
but let me clarify. i could give a shite that the female characters are weak/flat and written from a misogynistic POV
i was more explaining why those particular critics would flip the frick out over last night's ep, and their perspective
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Next episode is probably going to be 2 things: (1) rust getting marty to trust him and (2) a flipbook of information rust has accumulated over time, to basically skip the presentation of the investigation in the "present" so we speed into the final episode/resolution
I agree with this. Which is why I was so disappointed that they spent so much time bringing us to the present.
***hope my children don't get called retarded again for having an opinion***
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:35 am to Stonehog
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You're not getting it.
getting what, exactly?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, the show is great and I'm all in, but it's not TV Christ.
There is criticism out there, and it's not ridiculous. The show isn't for everyone and doesn't have universal appeal compared to a show like Breaking Bad for example.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The show is rigid enough to get people to form strong opinions about it, and that's what makes it interesting to some degree.
There is criticism out there, and it's not ridiculous. The show isn't for everyone and doesn't have universal appeal compared to a show like Breaking Bad for example.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The show is rigid enough to get people to form strong opinions about it, and that's what makes it interesting to some degree.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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i was more explaining why those particular critics would flip the frick out over last night's ep, and their perspective
I agree, my point was more toward to critics who aren't from the area. They have no clue how life is in southern Louisiana, so how can they claim that something is "unfair" or whatever term they use. I think the portrayal is quite reasonable and accurate.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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getting what, exactly?
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No one could possibly give a frick about your opinion of this show
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:40 am to Stonehog
what is the show and what do you expect?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:41 am to CocomoLSU
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So far, I haven't read a whole lot of additional information about TD, and I think I'm enjoying the show more because of it.
This has been my approach to the show as well. It's been much more enjoyable without entertaining all the crack pot theorists. I probably only read 5% of the True Detective threads a week.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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in terms of the story, i don't think they have enough time to really develop the present. that's my opinion/prediction, and it could be wrong. i haven't been right about every prediction of the show up to this point for sure, for better (thinking great rack dadarrio would have a bigger role) or worse (tuttle and teh whole "omg religious people are really hiding their dark nature in a sinister cult" angle)
That's my point though...you keep "trying to be right." So badly that you are trying to find flaws (or issues...whatever word you want to use, that's what you're doing). Instead of sitting back and enjoying one of the better shows that's come around in a while, you're nitpicking it in a way that simply won't allow you to enjoy it.
You crave change so much from the characters that you either a) refuse to see change or b) you think that unless there is change, then everything sucks. And it's not as simple as that. Marty has changed, at least to a degree. He changes and then goes back to his old self and then changes and then reverts back again. He's basically McNulty (which you LOVED). Rust has changed a bit as a person, even if his outlook on the world hasn't changed much. And we see him TRYING to change but not being able to...he tries to settle down with a chick, and that doesn't work. We see him try go have a little faith in Maggie, only to have her use him to frick over Marty. Etc. Maggie definitely has changed, and you know it...you just refuse to accept it and throw it away as some feminist/anti-feminist bullshite that you keep regurgitating. But maybe the characters "changing" isn't integral to the plot at all. And if that is the case, you're destined to hate it because that's what you want...change. There has been PLENTY of characterization on this show. Plenty.
The one thing I sort of agree with you on is pacing, and I've said it from episode two or so. But so far, they seem to be doing a bangup job of pacing. Like I said earlier, there are still two hours left...that should be plenty of time to get into 2012 and get things wrapped up. Them dedicating a full fourth of the show to the present seems like that's a pretty fair share. You have the introduction, then about a fourth on 1995, then about a third on 1995/2002, then an hour on 2002 alone, and now a fourth on 2012. Seems like that's pretty even, with a little more time given to the past to establish bases for things.
The problem is, like I said, you seem to want to be "right" about the things you are saying...but you're gonna look for any and everything to make those points right, even if they aren't really there (like you have been).
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:45 am to CocomoLSU
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The problem is, like I said, you seem to want to be "right" about the things you are saying...but you're gonna look for any and everything to make those points right, even if they aren't really there (like you have been).
to be fair, isn't that what lawyers do?
he should probably just leave his job at the office though, yes.This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:47 am to Prominentwon
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to be fair, isn't that what lawyers do?
Exactly.
It's like he can't approach it from a "TV viewer" perspective, and instead feels like he has to prove/disprove things in order to just get patted on the back.
What a horrible way to watch TV...you'll never enjoy anything.
And don't get me wrong, I love SFP; he's my boy. But he is awful in TD threads.
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