re: True Detective S1E5 "The Secret Fate of All Life"

What happened to Ginger is not a small thing. He had to be disposed of one way or another. No way they let that lose end go. So Marty offs Ledoux and Rust takes out Ginger. They are mutually involved and cover for each other for life.

i found where else decater has been posting:

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Piggy-backing on this post, I've come up with a theory as to who is committing the murders and how the season will play out.
At some point in the late 70's/early 80's, five men - Dora Kelly Lange's father, Len Stroghes (Marie Fontenot's father), Rianne Olivier's father or her boyfriend's (Reggie Ladoux) father who was like a father to her, Billy Lee Tuttle (the 2012 victim's father), and Martin Hart - form a secret cabal dedicated to resurrecting The Great Old Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos.
With Tuttle's charisma and religious connections, they form a secret church based on a mix of the Cthulhu Mythos, Santeria (origin of the devil catchers) and Christianity. The secret church draws in many members (Reggie Ladoux, the kids at Tuttle's school, the girls with the black star tattoos, the groundskeeper at the school), they worship at the not-yet-burned-down church and in the woods (where one of them chased Molly Ann Ross while dressed for worship), and engage in animal sacrifice (the dead animals found near churches), human sacrifice (Stacey Gerhart) and sexual rituals of some kind (more on that below). They also encourage their followers to perfect belief and obedience by dosing them with a mixture of LSD and Meth cooked by Reggie Ladoux.
The central tenet of the church is that the five kings must ritually sacrifice their daughters in order to bring forth the Great Old Ones, but the sacrifices must be made willingly. Because of the extreme nature of what these men are requiring of their daughters, they have to initiate them into the church from a very early age. This is evident from the fact that the future sacrifices act in ways that indicate they are participating in the church's rituals: Marie Fontenot builds the devil catcher in her playhouse, Hart's daughter draws one of the church's symbols, draws crude picture of sexual rituals she has witnessed, and arranges her dolls to match the ultimate ritual of the church. The children also draw a mural of the central ritual in the church (that's not a woman with antlers, its a woman surrounded by five men).
The first three sacrifices have been made in 1995: Marie Fontenot, Rianne Olivier and Dora Kelly Lange. The five kings don't have to be alive for the sacrifice of their daughters, they just have to have dedicated them to the Great Old Ones at an early ceremony of the church and then the girls must later willingly die. Dora Kelly Lange's sacrifice took place much later than the others because her father died unexpectedly in 1987 and she left the church. In 1994 Reggie Ladoux is arrested and arranges to be cellmates with Lange's husband (Tuttle's cousin is the governor after all). Reggie's influence on Lange's husband, coupled with Lange's desperate straights (drugs, hooking), lead her back to the church where she "meets a king" (one of the still-living five fathers who formed the church initially) and is convinced to go through with her sacrifice.
The sacrifices must match the four elements: fire for Marie Fontenot (her body was never found because it burned), water for Rianne Olivier, earth for Dora Kelly Lange, and air for Tuttle's daughter in 2012. The final ritual is special/a combination of the four and will bring about the awakening of the Great Old Ones.
speculation of what is to come begins here
In 1995 Hart and Cohle get close to the truth and find Reggie Ladoux in the woods along with church property which would link him to the murder. Reggie is a high-ranking member of the church who makes their LSD/Meth communion wafers and has committed some human sacrifice, but is not one of the five kings. Cohle will corner him and Reggie will offer to confess everything, only to be murdered by Hart in a plausible seeming manner. The two will be heroes and the case will appear solved.
Seven years later, Hart's daughter is all fricked up. On drugs, acting out sexually, has gone missing. Cohle has become a close family friend over the last seven years of being Hart's partner and Hart's wife turns to Cohle to find Hart's daughter because Hart refuses. Cohle starts to investigate Hart's daughter's disappearance and is surprised to find things seemingly related to the 1995 investigation. As he starts to get closer, Hart and Cohle have a massive confrontation and Hart tells Cohle that having killed his own daughter, he has no right to try to help Hart's. After how close Hart and Cohle have become, this is devastating to Hart. Their fall-out is such (possibly violent/guns involved) that both men are fired from the police force. Cohle stops looking for Hart's daughter and becomes a drunk. Hart divorces his wife over arguments about their missing daughter and becomes a PI. Ten years pass.
In 2012, Tuttle's daughter is ritualistically murdered. Cohle and Hart are brought in for questioning. Cohle discovers the truth about everything and comes upon Hart in the woods preparing to sacrifice his now-adult daughter (surprise Jennifer Lawrence cameo). Cohle has his gun on Hart, but Hart begs Cohle to let him complete the ritual. He seeks to persuade Cohle based on Cohle's pessimistic philosophy (everyone should join hands and stop living) by saying that this final murder will awaken the Great Old Ones who will wipe a decadent humanity from this earth for good. Cohle is persuaded.
Hart stabs his daughter in the abdomen five times and finishes the ritual. Hart and Cohle stare at each other for several moments. The screen goes dark. With no visual, you hear the sound of a gunshot, followed several seconds later by a hoarse-voiced Hart saying "It makes no difference." The audience is left to decide for themselves between one of two possible interpretations: (1) nothing happened following the ritual, Cohle shot Hart, Hart's dying words were meant to convey that Cohle killing Hart didn't prevent any of the murders or make a totally corrupt world any better (2) as the ritual ended Cohle looked up to see an Ancient God rising from the sea and killed himself to escape the horror to come, Hart's final words were to indicate that the Great Old Ones could resurrect him at will to torture him and so his suicide would not save him.

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Just curious, what would be a satisfactory conclusion to the story in your mind?

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Rust and Marty are drinking coffee in a diner about to meet the yellow king.

Then Dont Stop Believing starts on the jukebox.

We hear the door opening, expecting to see the yellow king.

Black.

ROLL THE CREDITS BITCHES.

Thanks, there is a better pic that I saw yesterday that shows the guy 2nd to right. He doesn't have a hood, but more of a "spaghetti face" mask on. I'll see if I can find it.

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We get it

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No kidding. SFP, you really know how to subtly shite on this entire discussion and how you expect it to flame out.

If you think the ending is going to suck, we don't need a 10 page explanation as to how you came up with it.

Either discuss what we're watching or just leave it be. At least Hugo said the show sucked and stopped posting.

So I am guessing Rust has been storing all of his gathered evidence in the storage locker?

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Interesting little tidbit: When Rust comes back out with the AK, he tells Marty "F*ck him. Good to see you commit to something."

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In episode 1 Rust tells about how he killed a meth addict for injecting his baby with crystal. It shows that he takes little pity on those who abuse children. This quote comes from after he goes and looks at the abused kids. The only thing that seemed odd was that he didn't flinch when Marty killed Ledoux. This was before he knew why Marty pulled the trigger. Maybe he's numb to death and violence after being in the action for a while.

A few more things:

Why did Rust say that Ginger was 'in the ditch'? He was in the car. Is the ditch slang for the area in the car with missing seats? Or is he going to kill Ginger?

In the first episode, a Sheriff calls in the murder. He meets Marty and Rust at the scene, takes them back to his office. Guess what's in his office? A 10 point buck mount. Marty killed a 10 point buck. The mounts on the sacrificed women are from 10 point bucks. Just sayin

Speaking of Sheriffs, the bunny ranch had some connection to law enforcement. I think this was in Ascension Parish (the bunny ranch was south of Spanish Lake). The Sheriff in the first scene was from Vermillion I believe. I thought I made the connection (same sheriff) before watching episode 1 again. Still could just tie into the cult having powerful members.

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Sulphur.

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South of I-10 on the Creole Nature Trail heading into Carlyss.

That's Choupique. The setting suggested that as well. Yes, I understand that it's filmed in NOLA, but nonetheless, that's where the writer set up the scene. Choupique. Between Hackberry and Carlyss.