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re: True Detective S1E5 "The Secret Fate of All Life"
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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o there has to be a reveal. i'm really worried that there is going to be a shock reveal at the end
I'm thinking it could be a Usual Suspects type deal, where they show all the information that has already been presented, but do so as to how it relates to solving the case.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
I really don't see how there can be a shock reveal at this point.
If you said Maggie was the king in yellow, that would be the only way I'd be like wtf, mind blown. But I'm fairly certain that's not going to happen.
It's just too big. Too many people are involved, connected.
I mean, we're dealing with a cult, even if they do find THE leader and manage to arrest/kill him/her, you still have this legion of indoctrinated followers, it doesn't just end.
If you said Maggie was the king in yellow, that would be the only way I'd be like wtf, mind blown. But I'm fairly certain that's not going to happen.
It's just too big. Too many people are involved, connected.
I mean, we're dealing with a cult, even if they do find THE leader and manage to arrest/kill him/her, you still have this legion of indoctrinated followers, it doesn't just end.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:49 am to Fishwater
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Sulphur.
well, Carlyss, to be more exact
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:50 am to Salmon
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I felt like Rust's line "What that's, Nietzche? Shut the frick up" was a nod to SFP
that was an odd line
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:50 am to CoCo311
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I really don't see how there can be a shock reveal at this point.
somebody we don't expect is more than likely going to be involved with the cult
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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i thought she was going to climb the tree and fall/die like rust's kid
me too. I looked at my wife and said, she gone. Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:50 am to CoCo311
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I really don't see how there can be a shock reveal at this point
The only shock reveal I can see at this point is that there is no single king in yellow or man with scars.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:51 am to Salmon
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"What that's, Nietzche? Shut the frick up"
about fell out of my chair at that comment. Well played Nick P. and MM.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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rust's soliloquy last night made me sad. it was like a blatant example of how the show is about more style than substance. it's whatever, but this is exactly what i was worried about discussing episode 1 and rust (i just didn't fully conceptualize it at that time).
We get it. You read grantland after the first episode and want to be contrarian. Philosophizing detectives may not be for everyone, but the special critical insight routine isn't working.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:52 am to CoCo311
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Too many people are involved, connected.
even this leads down that fantastical path that i'm alluding to, though. they're starting to set it up already
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we're dealing with a cult, even if they do find THE leader and manage to arrest/kill him/her, you still have this legion of indoctrinated followers, it doesn't just end.
cults end when the leader dies, typically
at least ones based on the cult of personality
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:54 am to Bayou Sam
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You read grantland after the first episode
i didn't even know who that guy was until about 10 minutes ago my memory may be failing me but i believe i was talking about it in real time immediately after the first ep, also
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:57 am to StarSaint
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Ledoux seems to already know about Rust because the powers that be have already warned them about Rust.
If you assume Ledoux knew about Rust, it would be only logical to also assume his partner fat boy knew about Rust, and would have killed him before he ever met with Ginger at the biker bar in the first place. Ledoux only said he knew about Rust either (i) in an attempt to mindfrick him (ii) because Ledoux was not quite right in the head himself or (iii) the keys to the universe are actually entrusted to a guy like Ledoux.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:57 am to NIH
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There are pictures of them working together in 2012. He's not dead.
Where? I didn't see this.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:58 am to Decatur
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Did anyone see a "spiral brand" on Ledoux's back as described by Charlie Lang? All I saw was an upside-down pentagram with a goat devil in it.
He had an odd swastika and also had a phoenix on his right ribs cage. The guy who Rust interrogated then committed suicide also had a phoenix on his right shoulder. Not the exact same, but similar.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Not instantaneously.
Not like where, if we were dealing with a singular serial killer, if that person is gone we no longer have anything to worry about. Basically a total closure scenario.
That's not what's going to happen here.
Like someone just said, what if there is no singular king in yellow.
There is no particular person to bring down where this thing will actually have an ending.
Not like where, if we were dealing with a singular serial killer, if that person is gone we no longer have anything to worry about. Basically a total closure scenario.
That's not what's going to happen here.
Like someone just said, what if there is no singular king in yellow.
There is no particular person to bring down where this thing will actually have an ending.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
ok well you and grantland are obviously drinking from the same wellPosted on 2/17/14 at 9:03 am to tigerinthebueche
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"What that's, Nietzche? Shut the frick up"
about fell out of my chair at that comment. Well played Nick P. and MM
Yeah me too. Here's one of the Nietzsche passages Rust's later monologue (after he's internalized Ledoux) is based on:
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The Heaviest Burden. What if a demon crept after you into your loneliest loneliness some day or night, and said to you: "This life, as you live it at present, and have lived it, you must live it once more, and also innumerable times; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and every sigh, and all the unspeakably small and great in thy life must come to you again, and all in the same series and sequence - and similarly this spider and this moonlight among the trees, and similarly this moment, and I myself. The eternal sand-glass of existence will ever be turned once more, and you with it, you speck of dust!" - Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth, and curse the demon that so spoke? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment in which you would answer him: "You are a God, and never did I hear anything so divine!" If that thought acquired power over you as you are, it would transform you, and perhaps crush you; the question with regard to all and everything: "Do you want this once more, and also for innumerable times?" would lie as the heaviest burden upon your activity! Or, how would you have to become favourably inclined to yourself and to life, so as to long for nothing more ardently than for this last eternal sanctioning and sealing?
(Gay Science, 341)
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:03 am to Prominentwon
I posted them in one of the theory threads.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:05 am to CoCo311
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Not instantaneously.
are we talking in real life or in hollywood?
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Like someone just said, what if there is no singular king in yellow.
i presume you're saying there is no leader (which is the hypothetical situation i was responding to)
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:07 am to Fishwater
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also had a phoenix
They both had the same symbol, but it's not a phoenix, it's a Reichsadler. The German "Imperial Eagle". In that context, they were using it as a Nazi/neo-Nazi symbol. The other symbols on their bodies are Norse/Celtic, which is typical of neo-Nazi and white nationalist prison and biker gangs.
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