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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:58 am to
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:58 am to
Did not read this thread, but I feel like there was A LOT of wasted time in this show. They know going in it's only going to be 8 episodes, why not take advantage of it?

The show drew a lot of people in with the idea that there was going to be depth, but in the end everything was pretty predictable.

I don't think Marty or Rust were dynamic enough characters on their own to merit wasting so much time on their "development."

Jmo of course.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:58 am to
A plot is not swiss cheese just because it leaves things unexplained. And this show didn't even leave anything unexplained.

Unless you need your hand held for every little bit.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:59 am to
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and has decided he will ruin this thread for anyone that liked the show.

more like i'm enjoying watching people completely change their views without any real basis in justifying the change

i'm also highly enjoying people who admit i was right and they were wrong weeks ago. my flock grows. don't doubt the yellow king
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
9433 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:59 am to
The show in the beginning had me hooked as I thought the premise was two modern detectives investigating the weird biblical shite that went on in a series like Carnivale in the 30's but still in the 90's or even the inter workings of a redneck Eyes Wide Shut cult...

I liked the dialogue, cast, and setting. I liked Russ' character a lot. They could have done a lot with the story.

I feel the same way about the movie Eyes Wide Shut. At the end I didn't care about Tom and Nicole being together... I was like what the frick was going on with that party and the people involved... How did we not dive into that more?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:59 am to
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Did not read this thread, but I feel like there was A LOT of wasted time in this show.

if the "character" angle is supposed to be the only thing we care about, this is 100% true

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I don't think Marty or Rust were dynamic enough characters on their own to merit wasting so much time on their "development."

Jmo of course.


you're right
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:00 am to
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And this show didn't even leave anything unexplained.

we don't know who was in the cult, why they did what they did, why they killed people publicly, etc

we know nothing about the cult other than a couple of victims and 3-4 members

the cult and its mystery was THE draw of the show
Posted by Stonehog
Platinum Rewards Club
Member since Aug 2011
34099 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:01 am to
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Unless you need your hand held for every little bit.


You'll have to excuse him, he's a little Slow.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25506 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:02 am to
I thought it was just a well done typical crime/detective show. The two leads being very good actors raised it above the majority of the genre.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:03 am to
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I feel the same way about the movie Eyes Wide Shut. At the end I didn't care about Tom and Nicole being together... I was like what the frick was going on with that party and the people involved... How did we not dive into that more?

well to be fair, a major theme of EWS was that it was a black comedy about tom cruise being basically a failure are being an elitist rich guy. the actual elite/rich were just a foil for his failures

i haven't seen the movie in a bit, but the orgy also played a symbolic role in his sexual issues
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20475 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:03 am to
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more like i'm enjoying watching people completely change their views without any real basis in justifying the change


Why is that enjoyable exactly?

I'm still waiting for you to find my posts where I changed my reasons for following/being interested in the show.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:04 am to
What is your standard of "depth"?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38299 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:04 am to
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more like i'm enjoying watching people completely change their views without any real basis in justifying the change

So you never leave a movie theater with a different appreciation in the end? Or do you decide what a movie is about in 15 minutes, and stick with it until the end?

You are really making an arse of yourself in this thread. The last two hours have been nothing but you arguing with anyone who liked the show. You've made your point many times over. Would you mind any other discussion?
Posted by AUEagle225
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2010
2582 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:04 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:05 am to
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Why is that enjoyable exactly?

the human condition and hypocrisy are 2 big parts of my life

that's why i can post hundreds of thousands of times on message boards

quote:

I'm still waiting for you to find my posts where I changed my reasons for following/being interested in the show.

i closed down the prior episode threads. i'm going to look tomorrow if i'm not too busy with work

going to screen shot alot of posts from people to have ready to post at some point, depending on what they say about the season
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:06 am to
Um what? The identity of the cult members was the draw of the show? What sort of simpletons do you hang out with?

The cult was the Tuttle family, and then later Childress took it to another level. This is particularly hard; Childress says it himself in the last episode.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
41214 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:07 am to
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I thought it was just a well done typical crime/detective show. The two leads being very good actors raised it above the majority of the genre.



I can agree with this. I wish there had been more focus on the cult angle which is what I thought we were going to get early on, but I still enjoyed watching it.

It was better than most buddy cop shows, but I don't think there's any doubt that that's all it was, which is what left me a little disappointed.
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20475 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:08 am to
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we don't know who was in the cult, why they did what they did, why they killed people publicly, etc

we know nothing about the cult other than a couple of victims and 3-4 members


You've never struck me as the type that wanted something spoon fed to you.

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the cult and its mystery was THE draw of the show


I like how in your theory that's a fact. That's only a draw if you got all riled up by the endless Internet myths. I never believed it was going to be anything like that, so I guess I enjoyed the show all the way thru unburdened.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:09 am to
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The identity of the cult members was the draw of the show?

how many posts of these threads have been about reasoning/guessing who is in the cult? at least 30%...possibly 40%?

it's been, by far, the most popular discussion topic on this show (both on here and reddit)

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The cult was the Tuttle family, and then later Childress took it to another level.

and at least 1 meth cook and his sidekick

and employees of the churches/schools who aren't related to the tuttles

and god knows who else
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38299 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:09 am to
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i closed down the prior episode threads. i'm going to look tomorrow if i'm not too busy with work

going to screen shot alot of posts from people to have ready to post at some point, depending on what they say about the season




I hope you take the time to post all of mine. There is nothing hypocritical about starting out liking a show for one reason, and appreciating it as something else in the end.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476143 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:10 am to
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You've never struck me as the type that wanted something spoon fed to you.

there is a large gap between "no information" and "being spoon fed"

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