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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:46 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:46 am to fightin tigers
Did you miss the whole back story on rust? He was an undercover narcotics agent who got bad off on drugs for 4-5 years, which ended up leading to him knowing the biker gang who bought meth from ledoux
There's no damn way you watched this show if u had to ask that question
There's no damn way you watched this show if u had to ask that question
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:47 am to tiger2012
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how does a careful investigator like cohle miss this suspect?
At the end rust and cohle are talking, when cohle tells rust that he remembered the guy on the lawn mower from 95 at tuttle's school. He said his face was dirty (couldnt see scars) and he was sitting on the mower (couldn't see how tall he was).
When he visited, remember Harrelson was in the car blowing the horn hurrying him up. He had a call on the radio or something, so Cohle was distracted.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:51 am to BlacknGold
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its hard to believe that a cult so entrenched in power and cover ups would allow erroll at all.
He had access to the kids at school. I thought the scene where they showed him painting made that obvious. Others were involved, but it was obvious he was the one that abducted the children. The "cult" wasn't anything without him.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:55 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:54 am to jg8623
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Did you miss the whole back story on rust? He was an undercover narcotics agent who got bad off on drugs for 4-5 years, which ended up leading to him knowing the biker gang who bought meth from ledoux
There's no damn way you watched this show if u had to ask that question
To be fair I think that they probably had greater meaning than simply that. I have a few ideas about their affect on overall themes that I want to try to think about more. I think that it could be trying to make some statement about the supernatural, although I haven't decided exactly what I think is being said. Someone earlier also said that the vortex was supposed symbolize time. I'll have to give a little more thought to that.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:55 am to Lester Earl
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He had access to the kids at school. I thought the scene where they showed him painting made that obvious. Others were involved, but it was obvious he was the ones that abducted the children. The "cult" wasn't anything without him.
This.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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i saw no people posting a month ago proclaiming all they cared about was watching rust and marty become friends
literally 0 people
i saw hundreds post religiously about the cult and mystery (on here and reddit
sure people were talking about the cult and all the clues surrounding the crime because at that time the episodes were leading them in unknown directions , so sure people were predicting certain outcomes....but that doesn't mean that people are unhappy with the way it ended ....
I thought if you paid close enough attention a lot of stuff was answered....
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:58 am to jg8623
I have been waiting to reserve judgment on this show until it was over. Was it good? Yes. Was it entertaining? Absolutely. Was it a masterpiece of a show with wonderful writing deserving of being mentioned in the pantheon of great HBO shows? Not even close.
The first couple episodes were great. Then it more or less tanked. The thing that really bothers me more than anything is the fact that every single character not named Rust or Marty ended up being completely worthless. I totally get that the show was about them and their relationship. That doesn't mean the show couldn't have had some substantial supporting characters.
The list goes on from there. The green paint connection? Come on. Marty and Rust (who was completely drunk) going after the Yellow King alone? This wasn't the first time they totally abandoned any form of police protocol and standards.
The entire conspiracy and cult thing totally fizzled. I'm fine with unanswered questions. Really. But I almost feel like the writer midway through the script decided that it was too complicated and didn't have the time and junked it.
I have a lot more to say but I think SFP is covering enough of it for everybody.
I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but these are my opinions. I don't think the show was great at all. Pizzolatto proved he is still an amateur. He wrote a nice, entertaining buddy cop series. Nothing more.
The first couple episodes were great. Then it more or less tanked. The thing that really bothers me more than anything is the fact that every single character not named Rust or Marty ended up being completely worthless. I totally get that the show was about them and their relationship. That doesn't mean the show couldn't have had some substantial supporting characters.
The list goes on from there. The green paint connection? Come on. Marty and Rust (who was completely drunk) going after the Yellow King alone? This wasn't the first time they totally abandoned any form of police protocol and standards.
The entire conspiracy and cult thing totally fizzled. I'm fine with unanswered questions. Really. But I almost feel like the writer midway through the script decided that it was too complicated and didn't have the time and junked it.
I have a lot more to say but I think SFP is covering enough of it for everybody.
I'm sure I'll get ripped for this, but these are my opinions. I don't think the show was great at all. Pizzolatto proved he is still an amateur. He wrote a nice, entertaining buddy cop series. Nothing more.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:00 am to DallasTiger11
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Marty and Rust (who was completely drunk) going after the Yellow King alone? This wasn't the first time they totally abandoned any form of police protocol and standards.
to be fair, they were no longer officers of the law.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:03 am to tiger2012
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The meth cook storyline, the biker gang infiltration, the sheriff on the boat storylines were dead ends
You gotta be kidding me
The meth cook was ledoux, who they killed if u remember. He was the guy who made the meth to drug the girls that the cult raped and killed
The biker gang was the only outside group that ledoux sold his meth too, so they use the biker gang to find ledoux
They take geracie on the boat to find out what he knows about people in the police dept covering shite up. They knew he was lying to them so they brought him out there to get the truth, which was that sheriff childress covered the whole thing up
Good lord, it's like some people just forgot the whole entire show after this one episode.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:07 am to tiger2012
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The meth cook storyline, the biker gang infiltration, the sheriff on the boat storylines were dead ends.
i dont understand how someone can say that
Even if they were dead ends, like any TV show or movie, they need stuff to fill the time. It's not like cops dont run into dead ends when investigating crimes.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:08 am to Lester Earl
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to be fair, they were no longer officers of the law.
I understand that. I still think former cops would have backup in some way. And if they didn't have cell service, they would have waited to charge in until they could have called somebody.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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the cult was the story rust was a means towards developing that mystery, and a number of characters could have fit in his place when you flip it, and make the cult devalued and try to prop a one-trick, unrealistic pony up as the only redeeming quality, the show much be criticized accordingly
If you dont give a shite about the characters going after the "cult" or whatever they are investigating...then it doesnt matter what the story is...If you cant invest in the main characters of a tv show...then thats a bad show.
None of that happened in this show...sure the mystery and the investigating was really cool and did a really good job of making you think and investigate things yourself....but the only reason to me that happened was you had two characters like Marty and Rust that you cared about, and wanted to invest in...like I said earlier, from the start when I saw Matthew and Woody were cast in this I was intrigued, but that didnt guarantee this was going to be a good show and they were going to be good in it, but they were and so much more.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:09 am to Lester Earl
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The meth cook storyline, the biker gang infiltration, the sheriff on the boat storylines were dead ends.
i dont understand how someone can say that
It's like people expected every single detail of every storyline to be explained in a thourough fashion, even tho most of them are pretty obvious as to why they were in the show
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:11 am to jg8623
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It's like people expected every single detail of every storyline to be explained in a thourough fashion, even tho most of them are pretty obvious as to why they were in the show
People are spoiled now when it comes to shows. The quality has gotten so good and you have these shows on HBO and other cable channels that are mostly better than movies that people expect to be absolutely perfect.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 2:17 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:11 am to DallasTiger11
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I understand that. I still think former cops would have backup in some way. And if they didn't have cell service, they would have waited to charge in until they could have called somebody.
Rust didn't want to bring other cops in because he felt they were involved or covering things up
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 2:16 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:13 am to DallasTiger11
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I understand that. I still think former cops would have backup in some way
well they weren't positive until they got there. And the phones didnt work. Im sure they didnt want to alert the police if it turned out to be something else..
Marty had told the black detective they would call them. They tried to find a phone. And evidently did since they police showed up.
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they would have waited to charge in until they could have called somebody.
And if he got away?
They had so much invested, i can understand why Cohle didnt wait to pursue him. They couldnt afford to let him get away.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:13 am to DallasTiger11
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Marty and Rust (who was completely drunk) going after the Yellow King alone? This wasn't the first time they totally abandoned any form of police protocol and standards.
Are you talking abut the last episode? The reason they "abandoned police protocol" is probably because neither one of them were police.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:14 am to Joe Mantegna
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People are spoiled now when it comes to shows. The quality has gotten so good and you have these shows on HBO and other cable channels that mostly better than movies that people expect to be absolutely perfect.
Yep. If you go back and read my responses the last couple pages, I was shocked I had to answer those questions. No one who watched or paid attention to this show should have to ask those questions
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:19 am to jg8623
Those last 5 minutes were horse shite. I thought we'd get some complex new info with back story and easter egg goodies, not some boring buddy cop bs and a weird louisiana scenery montage. Should've ended with Marty staring at the flare in the silo imo if they weren't gonna tie up anymore loose ends
Posted on 3/10/14 at 2:21 am to DallasTiger11
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Marty and Rust (who was completely drunk) going after the Yellow King alone? This wasn't the first time they totally abandoned any form of police protocol and standards.
Which part are you talking about rust being drunk?
And they abandon police protocol because they weren't police anymore, and even when they were police rust didn't trust any of them because he was convinced some of them were in on the cover up
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