re: Trainwreck: Woodstock 99 on Netflix

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Because he was telling the idiots in the crowd to "break stuff"?

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Well Anthony Kiedis followed up the next night by singing "Fire" (after being asked to try and calm the crowd) after the idiot organizers gave out 100,000 lit candles.

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HBO did an awesome documentary on WS99 about a year ago interviewing some of the same people.

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No. That documentary was dogshit.

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That documentary was dogshit.

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No it wasn't. I mean it was last year and Netflix clearly only did this because of that one.

2021: Woodstock 99 - Peace, Love and Rage
2022: Trainwreck - Woodstock 99

Limp Bizkit was huge at the time.
Metallica was too. They had a tour with Kid Rock and Korn and Staind that was pretty good.

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Vols&Shaft83

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I was still in high school and never heard about this. I’m gonna check it out.

My first real music experience was voodoo 2003. A perfect circle etc 3 day experience of a lifetime

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the riots were still 100% the fault of the organizers

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100%? Literally, the rioters had ZERO fault in their own rioting.

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That documentary was dog shite.

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Yup

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No it wasn't. I mean it was last year and Netflix clearly only did this because of that one.

2021: Woodstock 99 - Peace, Love and Rage
2022: Trainwreck - Woodstock 99

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Netflix clearly trying to piggyback off the HBO documentary doesn't negate the HBO doc being arse.

Off hand:

A good 25% of the HBO doc is Wesley Morris "analyzing" one part of one DMX song where white kids are repeating rap lyrics that they are being asked to repeat, and trying to extrapolate that to be the end all of how race relations were in Suburban America in the late 1990's. This is ok if that's his opinion, however the documentary leaves out something far more interesting.

Sevendust played that Woodstock set featuring the following:

(1) A black lead singer
(2) The lead guitarist playing with a Confederate Flag painted guitar.

That is FAR more representative of the late 90's attitude of "It's not racist if you're offending everybody"

The HBO documentary also paints the attendees as a bunch of white privileged kids who really had nothing to complain about.

(1) Getting INTO the concert was cheap enough, $150 to see 10+ of anyone's favorite bands at the time was well worth the price of admission, and kids working $5/hr jobs had no problem saving up for it for a month. The issue was that the prices INSIDE the gates caught everyone off guard and they weren't advertised before hand. I really don't remember meeting a bunch of rich frat boys that weekend.

(2) While there wasn't a risk of being drafted into a war, single parenthood was increasing throughout the 90's and more and more households became dual income, leaving the kids at home to "fend for themselves" so to speak. While these trends continued past the 90's, cell phones and the internet came around to bridge some of the raw boredom that existed with the 90's kids. If you want to bookend the 90s with two songs describing this, look at Nirvana "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and Limp Bizkit "My Generation.

"We're alive now, entertain us!" Nirvana

"We wont, ever give a frick, until you, you give a frick about me - and my generation"

You begin the 90's with a plea for attention and signs of depression (grunge era), the plea goes unanswered and you end the 90's in a state of blind rage (nu metal era).

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HBO had a thing on this i watched. Is there anything new in this one?

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A lot more time on interviews with the concert organizers, a better day by day breakdown of events. This documentary also doesn't dedicate time going down a race rabbit hole, a rabbit hole that never really had any data supporting it to begin with (even if the HBO doc tried to shoe horn it in).

Alright you at least gave a reason you think it was crap

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A good 25% of the HBO doc is Wesley Morris "analyzing" one part of one DMX song where white kids are repeating rap lyrics that they are being asked to repeat, and trying to extrapolate that to be the end all of how race relations were in Suburban America in the late 1990's. This is ok if that's his opinion, however the documentary leaves out something far more interesting.

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That part was very annoying and didn't fit the rest of the documentary. But it was not %25 of it. There was maybe 5 minutes spent on it. You felt that part was ridiculous (so did I) but that is standing out way too much for you. I'm not trying to convince you to like it, I watched it and forgot about it. But you're letting one 5-10 segment ruin it. Wasn't even close to being %25 of it.

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(1) Getting INTO the concert was cheap enough, $150 to see 10+ of anyone's favorite bands at the time was well worth the price of admission, and kids working $5/hr jobs had no problem saving up for it for a month. The issue was that the prices INSIDE the gates caught everyone off guard and they weren't advertised before hand. I really don't remember meeting a bunch of rich frat boys that weekend.

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They made a really big deal about inside prices being ridiculous. Especially the $10 bottled water. That was projected as a big reason pipes were busted. Add to the fact that it was on hot concrete.

They made Kurt Loder look like a giant pussy. Also, they didn't place blame on Limp Bizkit and Korn, they just said their music wasn't the type that was going to calm folks down when things probably needed to calm down. The people running the show told FD to tone it down and he, understandably wanting to put on a good show, didn't listen.

I didn't get a white privilege feel. Definitely got a the people who put on this show were giant idiots all the way around. Too high of prices, bad location, and understaffed.