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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul Season 6 Episode 1 and 2 Thread (Page 15/16 spoil zone)

Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:21 pm to
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:21 pm to
Lalo + Nacho = Todd is what he told me
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:31 pm to
yes we can't ignore that possibility.

I'm hearing Gus + Marie = Walt, Jr. as well through backchannels.
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:43 pm to
What is all the J+K stuff anyway? Some kind of fan theory based on Easter eggs or something? I am pretty caught up with BCS, but need to rewatch BB from Saul's perspective.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:44 pm to
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I'm hearing Gus + Marie = Walt, Jr. as well through backchannels.


I think theyll load up on any BB cast possible. its worthwhile for this franchise especially as it is concluding, and pretty much anyone can be included without getting to a corny level of fan service.

Theres a lot of wiggle room in the story to do so as we are approaching BB timeline, likely some tangential events during BB, and after the BB finale
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:46 pm to
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but need to rewatch BB from Saul's perspective.


You don't get to see BB from Saul's perspective, you see it from Walt's.

In season 6 we will see some BB from Saul and others perspectives.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:53 pm to
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What is all the J+K stuff


Long story short, I have believed for years that Vince and Peter are dropping hints that Kim is Saul's silent partner in BB.

Everyone thinks I'm nuts which causes me to lose it because it's so completely obvious to me. Glad we'll find out soon.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:56 pm to
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I have believed for years that Vince and Peter are dropping hints that Kim is Saul's silent partner in BB.

Everyone thinks I'm nuts


people don't think you're nuts because you have a theory. People think you're nuts because you act like the smartest guy in the room and call all of us morons for not buying into your theory. Which is based on nothing but speculation mind you.
Posted by Fgiord
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:06 pm to
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People think you're nuts because you act like the smartest guy in the room and call all of us morons for not buying into your theory.


This and the relentless shoving your theory down our throats at every turn.

We get it, dude. You have a theory that sounds cool.
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:36 pm to
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Ham Solo

Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:47 pm to
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the relentless shoving your theory down our throats at every turn.



It's usually other people bringing it up to mess with him, and then he feels compelled to reply.
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:48 pm to
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You don't get to see BB from Saul's perspective, you see it from Walt's.

In season 6 we will see some BB from Saul and others perspectives.


You can watch any show like this from the perspective of any character. You can't take away from who gets the most screen time but you can try to see the story from their corner. You will always pick up things you never noticed in prior watches.

Also, googled it. That seems to be a big theory with some articles about it. Interesting, so Kim's running the holding company and doing the money wizardry behind the scenes. Could make sense.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:58 pm to
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You will always pick up things you never noticed in prior watches


Yeah you can definitely pick up some insights, but out of all the main characters on BB Saul gets the least amount of perspective.

Gus, Mike, Hank, Jesse, Skylar, and even Marie have scenes entirely about them and you get some insight into them.

Saul really didn't have that. Almost every scene he has is about Walt, Jesse, and sometimes Mike. You never really get to see behind the curtain with Saul, although he did have a couple of Jimmy moments even though Jimmy hadn't been written yet.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:17 pm to
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That seems to be a big theory with some articles about it


theres tons of theories and articles with shitloads of speculation and almost all if not all of them will be wrong.

if you want to go down a rabbit hole a few kim-centric theories: kim death, kim working in shadows, kim conning jimmy. kim no middle name marriage. kim splits from jimmy but meet up in gene timeline. jimmy betrays kim. howard beats kim, kim beats howard. etc

what draws ire to ham is that you're a moron that causes him to lose it if you post anything that doesn't support the obviously correct one.
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 8:58 pm to
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Your best bet is to just ignore as best you can.

Thanks. That seems like good advice.
Posted by Demshoes
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 9:14 pm to
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Kim is Saul's silent partner


What does she do as a "silent partner?" Context?
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 9:42 pm to
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What does she do as a "silent partner?" Context?


Whatever is needed in any given situation similar to their schemes in BCS, but she stays hidden. Saul is the face.


Also, I think she is probably a major part of cleaning their dirty money for several reasons.

1. Vince intentionally connected ISZA to Kim. There's a reason for that, it's not something they just did for no reason.

2. Kim is now an expert in banking laws from her time with Mesa Verde.

3. The name Wexler means money changer. Weird that they would pick that name for her.

Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 10:45 pm to
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Whatever is needed in any given situation similar to their schemes in BCS, but she stays hidden. Saul is the face.


Also, I think she is probably a major part of cleaning their dirty money for several reasons.

1. Vince intentionally connected ISZA to Kim. There's a reason for that, it's not something they just did for no reason.

2. Kim is now an expert in banking laws from her time with Mesa Verde.

3. The name Wexler means money changer. Weird that they would pick that name for her.




i did find those points interesting at first glance. but then I think #3 and #2 explain each other just fine. #1 is the best support for your theory, but is still just equally likely to be VG getting cute connecting things like #2,#3 to build a character.


really not trying to get into it like yesterday but would welcome a non easter egg explanation about kim laundering money on a couple points.
1) cartel and gus have been laundering money long before saul entered the scene. maybe she does end up doing so, but she really isn't needed for this.

2) walt and skyler launder their own money. J+K could make extra money and do this from the shadows. but mainly skyler is doing the laundering. why wouldn't kim be involved in this if anything else? saul has significant reason to use the money changer for the client most likely to be identified by police and cause problems for saul if found out.

3) maybe kim is only laundering money for saul, but even then saul is perfectly capable of laundering his own money as he certainly wouldnt be drawing the same level of scrutiny as major banks/corporations.

Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 11:14 pm to
1. She is needed for this. The cartel is out of Mexico and isn't a big help for laundering American citizens money and probably wouldn't want to mess with it.

Saul doesn't even know who Gus is until after Walt goes to work for him so Saul would already have his system set up before then. Gus wouldn't do it for him anyway.

2. Saul did take part in helping them set up their own laundering operation. It would make sense for J+K to keep their system seperate for 2 reasons. 1) Walt was dealing with way more cash which is harder for J+k to deal with. 2) If Walt gets busted it would lead straight to J+k nest egg. Better for Saul and Kim to stay removed from Walt's cash.

3. Money laundering is much more in Kim's wheelhouse than Saul's. It's about details. Saul is a run and gun type of guy. Kim is the type that makes sure their asses are covered. Watch Saul explain money laundering to Jesse and Walt. He seems like he only has an elementary grasp of it.
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 11:20 pm
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/15/22 at 12:20 am to
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It's usually other people bringing it up to mess with him, and then he feels compelled to reply.


Thank you, that is half the problem. The other half is my fault though. When I see new clues or dialog I feel is relevant I point it out. This starts the cycle of ridicule and me defending myself.

I'm still going to point things out as I see them, I just have to be better at ignoring people that need to have everything spelled out for them.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/15/22 at 12:51 am to
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1. She is needed for this. The cartel is out of Mexico and isn't a big help for laundering American citizens money and probably wouldn't want to mess with it.

Saul doesn't even know who Gus is until after Walt goes to work for him so Saul would already have his system set up before then. Gus wouldn't do it for him anyway.

2. Saul did take part in helping them set up their own laundering operation. It would make sense for J+K to keep their system seperate for 2 reasons. 1) Walt was dealing with way more cash which is harder for J+k to deal with. 2) If Walt gets busted it would lead straight to J+k nest egg. Better for Saul and Kim to stay removed from Walt's cash.

3. Money laundering is much more in Kim's wheelhouse than Saul's. It's about details. Saul is a run and gun type of guy. Kim is the type that makes sure their asses are covered. Watch Saul explain money laundering to Jesse and Walt. He seems like he only has an elementary grasp of it.


I think you misread my point 1. gus has been laundering american money and the cartel has been laundering mexican money long before kim was around just fine. she isn't needed to launder for either of these 2 parties.

point 2 makes more sense for maybe helping saul start them up. but your 2 extra reasons lead to two more problems 1)if walts season 3 money is too much for her to deal with she has no business laundering anything. 2) if she was keeping it separate to not get found out, when walt gets busted it still does lead back to saul anyway so the separation didn't do anything.


kim is redundant to keep around as a laundering mastermind if everyone is laundering their own money. you have a point its more of her wheelhouse than sauls, but saul is still perfectly capable. It seemed like saul had a perfectly fine knowledge of laundering but was explaining it to jesse like he was 5 so he could understand it. he had to dumb it down for his audience. much like how marty byrd explained laundering to his son in ozark.

eta - thats all. moving on.


This post was edited on 4/15/22 at 1:04 am
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