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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul Season 6 Episode 1 and 2 Thread (Page 15/16 spoil zone)

Posted on 4/16/22 at 7:43 am to
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 7:43 am to
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4. She’s in the background of BB as the brains behind Saul’s operation. This one makes zero sense to me. I will Venmo Ham Solo $50 if this happens

I hate this possibility. It is so uncreative and cliché - she was there all along!

I hope Vince doesn’t lower himself to high school level storylines.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 7:58 am to
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 8:21 am to
All very interesting. I too thought Kim would finally get tired of the risk and cutting corners and leave him, in effect fulling creating Saul Goodman and his total disregard for right or wrong.

As noted in prior posts, Season 5 they definitely make this hard to see happening as she has been totally corrupted. The Kim as a child scenes also are interesting and sort of show that she came from a bad background and could justify "easy money" given her falling for Jimmy and the temptation of doing things the quick way.
Posted by Cow Drogo
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:08 am to
11 pages in before the episode aires

There hasn’t been hype on the board like this since game of thrones
Posted by tonic
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:36 am to
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I hate this possibility. It is so uncreative and cliché - she was there all along!


All of my thoughts below are dependent on Kim being alive during the BB timeline, which I do believe she is.

Taking the entire series into consideration, we all know how important Kim is to Jimmy. But, we also know that Jimmy is equally as important to Kim. So it stands to reason that Kim is around somewhere during the BB timeline.

I for one find this intriguing because, in BB, we only see Saul when he is dealing with a WW issue of some kind. We weren't shown any other part of his existence.

Now that we have watched 5 seasons, we know Saul has many more layers than was presented in BB. I think it would be lame if Kim wasn't around at all during the BB timeline.

It would be bad storytelling if she isn't around during BB because of how involved she is in Jimmy's life.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:37 am to
I started watching Better Call Saul all over again on Netflix to prepare myself for the final season, and during certain shows, like the episode where Nacho gets shot, it’s easy to forget that you aren’t watching an episode of Breaking Bad!
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:47 pm to
Here is a scene they put on YouTube I guess for hype. Nothing shattering but nonetheless. At least I think that is what this is as I don't remember it from the show.

BCS Post Lalo hit attempt discussion
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:02 pm to
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I hate this possibility. It is so uncreative and cliché - she was there all along!

I hope Vince doesn’t lower himself to high school level storylines.


this is a major problem. sure its a cute idea on its surface, but the implications on the story/plot are just terribly lame and i really expect better from vince. It would detract from saul as a character in BB which would be criminal. it certainly would be the least creative and least interesting possible arc for kim and jimmy.
it also goes against a universal theme in BB/BCS so far, that everyone's story is a tragedy and is much worse off after all is said and done (exception maybe the college kid film crew).
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted by tonic
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:16 pm to
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this is a major problem. sure its a cute idea on its surface, but the implications on the story/plot are just terribly lame and i really expect better from vince. It would detract from saul as a character in BB which would be criminal. it certainly would be the least creative and least interesting possible arc for kim and jimmy.
it also goes against a universal theme in BB/BCS so far, that everyone's story is a tragedy and is much worse off after all is said and done (exception maybe the college kid film crew).


Now, here is the thing. I don't believe Kim or Jimmy are going to end up in a great place. Their lives are destined for tragedy. However, Kim being involved in Saul's affairs during BB is still very possible despite the terrible end they are destined for.

Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:28 pm to
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Now, here is the thing. I don't believe Kim or Jimmy are going to end up in a great place. Their lives are destined for tragedy. However, Kim being involved in Saul's affairs during BB is still very possible despite the terrible end they are destined for.



sure at this point thats equally as possible as her not being involved. me and the other poster were commenting on hoping vince doesnt opt for the least creative route to retcon kim into BB when its not necessary at all. especially when it would be more compelling if anything else were the case.


anyway im interested in BCS setting up howard hamlin to be the 'final boss' to test their lawfare chicanery and relationship.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 7:38 pm
Posted by rebelrouser
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:37 pm to
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(exception maybe the college kid film crew).


They were never in the game. Once that line is crossed, you are destined to end badly. Jesse was the only one and he went through a lot.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:50 pm to
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They were never in the game. Once that line is crossed, you are destined to end badly. Jesse was the only one and he went through a lot.



I would even say jesse was no exception although he is the closest to it if you argue he was better off alone in hiding for the rest of his life instead of the life he'd have had if he were busted by hank in season 1. And that still isnt a clean argument considering he was forced to kill people, tortuted, held hostage, and had 2 girlfriends and a son-figure he loved be killed.

not being in the game doesnt necessarily exempt you from the theme of drastic tragedy. marie, walt jr, ted etc.
i said the college film crew kinda tongue in cheek because theres really no reason for them to suffer, but I agree getting into the game signals a tragic fate to come.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 4:56 pm
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 4:59 pm to
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Now, here is the thing. I don't believe Kim or Jimmy are going to end up in a great place. Their lives are destined for tragedy. However, Kim being involved in Saul's affairs during BB is still very possible despite the terrible end they are destined for.


From the way Jimmy/Saul is portrayed in BCS and his stability with Kim and his issues when he lost his brother (who he grew to resent), even having the profound impact on him that it did. Even if he is used Chuck's death to his advantage, I just can't see Saul functioning at the level he did in BB if Kim dies.

That is not to say she doesn't, but I personally would not like to see Kim die. She starts out as the total opposite of Slipping Jimmy, but she does eventually end up basically becoming the same as Jimmy, so it is hard to say. Up until this point, is she really "in the game," other than just her meeting Lalo?
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 5:02 pm
Posted by tonic
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 5:09 pm to
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anyway im interested in BCS setting up howard hamlin to the the 'final boss' to test their lawfare chicanery and relationship.


Absolutely agree. I am intrigued by what they will do to Hamlin. I think Howard will be more formidable than they expect.
Posted by tonic
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 5:14 pm to
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Even if he is used Chuck's death to his advantage,


This is a great point.

Jimmy used Chuck's death as fuel to continue because he had basically disowned Chuck at that point. Jimmy did not wish him dead but was relieved to have that burden removed from his life.

In my opinion, Kim's death would have the opposite effect. I believe that would send Jimmy into an unrecoverable spiral of depression.

Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 5:48 pm to
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I think Howard will be more formidable than they expect.


100%.



hamlin has likely been prepping for war at least since jimmy threw bowling balls and sent prostitutes on hamlin. he has tried to extend an olive branch to jimmy and kim who both spat in his face as a response. it will take something more robust than the huell is a church hero con to pull off a W on hamlin.

and remember, kim's backstory is still a huge unknown and will have major implications. will hamlin find something to use against her? jimmy and kims relationship has almost fallen apart multiple times only go be saved when they could cooperate on scamming others. what happens to their relationship if jimmy balks on framing hamlin due to an attack of conscience that it would be going too far?
Posted by rebelrouser
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 7:22 pm to
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Up until this point, is she really "in the game," other than just her meeting Lalo?


Yes. Mike is wise and his conclusion was that she was in the game once Saul told her about the money pick up. Meeting Lalo in jail and then rebuking him in the apartment? She is all the way in. She is all the way in and will have another showdown with Lalo.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:11 pm to
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Season 5 recap (15 mins)

For those who won’t be able to rewatch the whole season prior to Monday night.
WOW...forget how much happened in S5. Can wait till Monday.
Posted by Peter167
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:21 pm to
Lalo is gonna rip Nacho's dick off for what he did. Hell he's probably gonna kill his father too. Yeah it's gonna end real bad for Ignacio.
Posted by Crow Pie
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Member since Feb 2010
27781 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:26 pm to
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Could Kim just be in hiding via the vacuum repair man ?
She will need to after killing Lalo to protect Jimmy.
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