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re: Thinking about watching GOT
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:54 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:54 am to OMLandshark
quote:And again, the fact that it provokes so much emotion shows why the OP should watch the whole show.quote:
You know what, I think that's why the OP should watch the entire series.
I’m serious, even highly sarcastic replies on how this could have ended are better than the actual ending. I haven’t heard one person come up with a worse ending sarcastically or otherwise.
To the OP: have you ever seen someone so angry about something, if they didn't care about it?
You don't get that invested unless the ride is great.
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:05 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Stop trying to put flowers on dog shite. Season 7 and 8 is some of the worst television ever directed. It’s objectively bad and I question the intelligence of someone who tries to convince anyone otherwise.
Being a little overdramatic here, aren't we?
OP hasn't seen it, so don't spoil it with details.
Your issues with the final season are with story lines.
In terms of production, scope, epic nature of what you're seeing, several of these final episodes are the best we've ever seen on a TV show, better than most blockbuster movies. The budget was clearly huge.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:16 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Even season 8 had some good moments.
And they’re all in the second episode and nothing more. The best part of that episode radically undercuts itself two episodes later.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:18 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Stop trying to put flowers on dog shite. Season 7 and 8 is some of the worst television ever directed. It’s objectively bad and I question the intelligence of someone who tries to convince anyone otherwise. In fact, how many times have you watched season 7 and 8?
I’ll defend the cast and crew here. It’s not their fault the season was a total abortion. It was still impeccably shot and acted. The cast implicitly or directly shite all over the final season writing as well.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:24 pm to CocomoLSU
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Well I do, for one. Along with several people in the thread.
Oh really? Did anyone like or enjoy “Who has a better story than ____ the Broken?” And we all simultaneously in unison said “Every single character including Edmure Tully.”
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but I also thought some of the endings for characters were also done pretty well.
Who? I mean some of them were passable, but there was no satisfaction whatsoever for any of the characters fates.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:33 pm to CocomoLSU
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OP, another word of advice: ignore OML’s GoT posts almost universally. If he says you should do X, do the opposite.
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OP, another word of advice: ignore OML’s GoT posts almost universally. If he says you should do X, do the opposite.
Seconded. How can any human be this emotionally invested in the show after this much time has past?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:33 pm to CocomoLSU
I’d say you’re in the minority still. Most viewers weren’t book readers (I’m not really either), but the last season was generally really disliked by most people I would say. At the very least most people would say it was huge letdown. I think the main complaint comes down to it being too rushed
But OP should still watch it because most of the show was good, and you can’t just leave it hanging by not watching the end however dumb it was
But OP should still watch it because most of the show was good, and you can’t just leave it hanging by not watching the end however dumb it was
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:38 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
quote:If you want a somewhat satisfying ending...stop after S8E3. But with only 3 episodes after that, you might as well follow through and finish.
What should I consider the finale if I want to enjoy it from beginning to end?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:This is the point that the OP should take to heart.
Most viewers weren’t book readers (I’m not really either), but the last season was generally really disliked by most people I would say. At the very least most people would say it was huge letdown. I think the main complaint comes down to it being too rushed
But OP should still watch it because most of the show was good, and you can’t just leave it hanging by not watching the end however dumb it was
There are quite a few seasons that are incredibly great.
The final season has stuff that upsets you because you are invested, so you say "why did they go that way, I didn't want that to happen".
But it was NOT "the worst television ever", as even OMLandshark grudgingly admits.
The production quality surpasses most DCU movies, and I'd say it surpasses the Hobbit films too. You're talking about a TV show that has episodes that LOOK better than a 200 million dollar movie.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:09 pm to Scoob
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The final season has stuff that upsets you because you are invested, so you say "why did they go that way, I didn't want that to happen".
Mine thing was more so it was rushed and felt like the writers just wanted to wrap up the show. They went through a lot of potential content, storylines, character changes, etc. in a a handful of episodes. And there’s no way you can wrap everything up while continuing to maintain a high quality of writing akin to the earlier seasons.
I think this is backed up when it came out they D&D said that they (not HBO) made the decision to shorten the show, and that they had a few other projects lined up.
That being said, I don’t entirely blame them because the fat man never finished his books like they probably originally thought he would. He just gave them 2 plot points of which he himself didn’t come close to deciding how the story would come to that.
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But it was NOT "the worst television ever", as even OMLandshark grudgingly admits. The production quality
Yeah that’s just dumb. The writing quality dropped off at the end but it always had some absolutely amazing visuals, CGI, choreographing, acting, music scores, and even costumes. It was an expensive series and it showed. You’re not going to see that in really any other show.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:13 pm to Scoob
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The final season has stuff that upsets you because you are invested, so you say "why did they go that way, I didn't want that to happen".
**SPOILERS FOR OP**
I posted a few times back when the final season happened about why this line of thinking is an oversimplified cop out designed for some reason to protect the shite show that was season 8.
the entire reason game of thrones was so popular was that it did things people didn’t like but set the stage for them to happen.
I didn’t like Ned Stark dying, but Joffrey being an unpredictable lunatic without a conscience was well established.
I didn’t like the red wedding, but rob not honoring his promise to the frey’s and the boundless power/influence of Lannister money was well established.
I didn’t like Jon snow being murdered, but him going against the majority opinion and defying the values of the night’s watch was well established.
I didn’t like Bran being made king, and literally nothing happened in the show prior to that episode to indicate that was even a remote possibility.
And also, I’d invite anyone that says people are just mad that they didn’t get the ending they wanted to respond to this video: GOT Season 8 Pitch Meeting
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:22 pm to Scoob
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so you say "why did they go that way, I didn't want that to happen".
You really think 95% of the viewers, who are used to watching GOT do things they didn’t want to happen, disliked season 8 just because things happened a different way than what they wanted?
Yea you are just being disingenuous and oversimplifying this. With that, you, along with D&D, undervalue the opinion of majority of the viewers. I never read the books and didn’t start watching GOT until 2 months prior to season 8. I wasn’t as invested as those who watched when it first came out. Bad writing (character switcheroos, elements that made no sense, rushed closure or themes that made no difference, among other things are why the latter seasons were garbage. And make no mistake, they were garbage.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:35 pm to Tiger Prawn
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If you want a somewhat satisfying ending...stop after S8E3. But with only 3 episodes after that, you might as well follow through and finish.
That'd be like running a marathon and stopping at mile 25 because you knew the last 1.2 miles was not going to be fun. Just finish the damn thing.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:58 pm to Scoob
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But it was NOT "the worst television ever", as even OMLandshark grudgingly admits.
The production quality surpasses most DCU movies, and I'd say it surpasses the Hobbit films too. You're talking about a TV show that has episodes that LOOK better than a 200 million dollar movie.
It’s also like the Hobbit films in that you clearly know who the villain is if you’re remotely paying attention to what is going behind the scenes. It’s not Jackson, the crew, or the cast that is to blame since I think they gave it their all. It’s the greedy executives back in Hollywood that are to blame and forced Jackson to make it and spread it out when there isn’t enough material for that. Should have taken the hint from Bilbo in Fellowship of the Ring.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:Yes.quote:
so you say "why did they go that way, I didn't want that to happen".
You really think 95% of the viewers, who are used to watching GOT do things they didn’t want to happen, disliked season 8 just because things happened a different way than what they wanted?
Ok, you tell me then-
did the production values, visuals etc drop? Did this show suddenly become visually hard to watch due to cheap costumes and effects?
No- this was a stunningly well-crafted show as far as visuals. The effects IMPROVED over time. The battles LOOK BETTER the further you go into it. The scenery becomes better than most movies of the genre.
You're mad at plot and conclusion (what the characters do and say in the final season, and what happens with the storyline).
That's fine, we ALL ARE.
I don't want to go into spoilers because the OP says he hasn't watched it.
What I will say is, people are upset with how things play out in the end. Nobody ever said it looked bad.
There are about 10 episodes that, standalone, look as good as almost any high-priced movie, and a couple are in the final season. You may not like what the characters are doing, you may disagree strongly with the turns in the plot or a couple points here and there. But even then, they are visually more impressive than, say, a scene in Conan, Justice League, The Hobbit, etc.
Even those "bad" episodes, the ones everyone yelled in frustration about- if you unplug your brain and just watch the action, are fantastic.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:06 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Mine thing was more so it was rushed and felt like the writers just wanted to wrap up the show. They went through a lot of potential content, storylines, character changes, etc. in a a handful of episodes. And there’s no way you can wrap everything up while continuing to maintain a high quality of writing akin to the earlier seasons.
It’s unforgivable what D&D did given that HBO gave them a blank fricking check. Everyone in Hollywood’s dream is to get that. Hire more writers if that’s what it takes. Instead they just halfass it to the extreme. I’m usually not one to defend movie executives, but that was such a spit in the face to HBO.
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That being said, I don’t entirely blame them because the fat man never finished his books like they probably originally thought he would. He just gave them 2 plot points of which he himself didn’t come close to deciding how the story would come to that.
Fatty is to blame for sure, but if they wanted to get out of GoT they should have left and handed it off to someone like Damon and Carlton... Granted hiring them specifically would probably be a bad idea given GRRM was probably the most vocal critic on how the end of LOST was the worst ending of all time and might deliberately write the worst ending possible as a “frick You”. What balls on GRRM given he couldn’t write his way out of a cardboard box. The moment the finale ended Damon and Carlton after years of holding it in gloriously shat all over Tubby on how awful the ending was.
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Yeah that’s just dumb. The writing quality dropped off at the end but it always had some absolutely amazing visuals, CGI, choreographing, acting, music scores, and even costumes. It was an expensive series and it showed. You’re not going to see that in really any other show.
Actually you’re going to start to, and it’s already happening with The Mandalorian. Disney has got Star Wars series, Amazon has Lord of the Rings coming with each season half a billion dollars, Netflix is going to have live action Avatar The Last Airbender (I’m extremely apprehensive on this given the creators of the original series have left the project and I think spreading out the timeline from 9 months to 4 years severely fricks with the tension of the series), and HBO is making Harry Potter into a 7 season epic series.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:07 pm to Scoob
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Even those "bad" episodes, the ones everyone yelled in frustration about- if you unplug your brain and just watch the action, are fantastic.
What you just described is a transformers movie.
Unplugging your brain is the literal exact opposite of why game of thrones became so popular in the first place, and why people are still talking about it today, both the good and bad.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:16 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
What kind of a viewer are you?
If you are more analytical and get annoyed with sloppy writing the last two seasons will make you unhappy. If you are a popcorn "it's just a television show" type viewer you may enjoy most of it all the way through.
The first four seasons are brilliant as long as neither violence nor sex offend you. The story and characters degrade a lot once they get past the books Martin finished.
If you are more analytical and get annoyed with sloppy writing the last two seasons will make you unhappy. If you are a popcorn "it's just a television show" type viewer you may enjoy most of it all the way through.
The first four seasons are brilliant as long as neither violence nor sex offend you. The story and characters degrade a lot once they get past the books Martin finished.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
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What you just described is a transformers movie.
Unplugging your brain is the literal exact opposite of why game of thrones became so popular in the first place, and why people are still talking about it today, both the good and bad.
Yeah, no shite. Game of Thrones is the spiritual successor to LOST. The theories the fans came up with on both those series were insane and highly enjoyable.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 3:26 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
You won't be able to stop at a certain point... even knowing the last season kinda sucks.
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