re: The Walking Dead Season 3, Episode 13. "Arrow on the Doorpost'" **NO SPOILERS**

I think us as fans know not to consider the offer. But we tend to forget that characters like Rick havent seen all the lies and evil that the governor is like we have. So he has to consider it. I think we all would if our families were at stake. My prediction, he agrees to give up michonne, and uses the exchange opportunity to take down the govs crew

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But we tend to forget that characters like Rick havent seen all the lies and evil that the governor is like we have.

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Between Merle, Maggie and Glen, he has more useful information about the Gov than Andrea has, and she's been living and sleeping with him.

I think Rick gets tipped off by someone. The Gov's right hand man seemed pretty ticked when he was informed of the Ambush. I think he defects to Rick's group at some point.

Ok so correct me if im wrong but I think with the sit down it showed the governor and Rick are not that different. In that both men lost their wives and then the governor talked about becoming the leader of Woodbury pretty much by default because nobody was left. Rick to me was in the same boat because the group pretty much made him the leader and so he just took charge. I thought the episode was good. I know it wasnt the action packed episode we thought at the beginning but it was a good character episode that you had to listen to what they were saying.

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I didn't think the episode was bad but I also had a hard time figuring out how it fit within the context of the show. Given everything we know about the characters, the idea of a sit down meeting btw Rick and the Governor seems a bit contrived. Seems like they are just drawing out the inevitable battle btw the 2 sides.

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I thought that at first, but by the end of the episode, I realized that the only reason Gov had the sit down with Rick was to try to fool him into meeting again.

Gov and Rick both know that his offer (peace for Michonne) is bullshite. Gov even knows that Rick knows he's a psycho. IMO he just wanted to meet to show Rick that he could at least be trusted enough to be able to meet, man to man, without incident. And he did that so that Rick would be willing to meet him again and Gov could set up his ambush.

That was the whole point of the episode IMO.

This show is so much better without the Governor and Woodbery.

I know these threads are chock full of a irrelevant complaints, and I usually abstain from doing this, but I feel like this show could lose viewers if it doesn't resolve this story arc quickly.

The governor is not a scary villain. He's not a character that we have watched deteriorate in the midst of the apocalypse like we saw with Shane. He's just a punk bitch with a bad accent and in charge of douchey town. He's also managed to bring out the worst in Andrea's character - her pompous remarks combined with that "mad girl" head shake has me rooting for a zombie to gnash its teeth into her face.

A couple of things about this episode:

- Rick and the Governor should never have met. That's Rick fault. If they were going to meet the Governor, they should have had an assassination attempt. The guy sexually assaulted Maggie, allowed Glenn to be beaten, almost had Darryl killed by Merle, killed that one guy, busted down their protective gates, and unleashed a horde of zombies onto the prison premises. There was no negotiating here. When the governor sat down without a weapon and Rick was pointed at his face, he should have pulled the trigger. Have Darryl ready to take out the muscle. Milton and Andrea wouldn't have been threats; hopefully Andrea would have been bitten during the shooting.

- Beth shot a gun at the ceiling in a prison. Where was the ricochet?

Last episode was probably the worst episode I've seen out of all the seasons.

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This show is so much better without the Governor and Woodbery.

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I agree with this, the show was really taking off before the prison / woodberry / governor was introduced. Since then it seems there's been a whole season of "prison / woodberry" episodes. I wish whatever is going to happen between the two groups would hurry and happen and the series would move on.

Am I the only one who thinks its hilarious they haven't even hinted at a food shortage...I know they did for a minute at the beginning of the season but nobody looks unhealthy little ridiculous IMO. Maybe they'll get a winter eventually in Georgia.