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The Science of Extreme Time Dilation in Interstellar

Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:59 am
Posted by Street Hawk
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:59 am
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I still don't think I understand how Einstein's general theory of relativity and special theory of relativity works despite watching all these videos. Can someone explain all this to me like I'm a 5th grader?
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:02 pm to
E = mc^2
Posted by The Eric
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:05 pm to
Time is affected by gravity.

If you are closer to something like a black hole the gravity is extremely strong. Time would go slower at such high gravitational pulls.

Therefore your friends on earth would all be 100 while you are still a virgin.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:05 pm to
Admittedly didn't watch the video but my understanding is that time is relative to the gravity of the location.

In Interstellar, they're close to a black hole so that extreme gravity affects time differently on the planets they're on
Posted by Blitzed
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:09 pm to
Watch this… YouTube

And this YouTube
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Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:19 pm to
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In Interstellar, they're close to a black hole so that extreme gravity affects time differently on the planets they're on
which makes the decision to explore the water planet even more ridiculous. As though it was even a remote possibility that it could be habitable
Posted by keakar
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:19 pm to
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I still don't think I understand how Einstein's general theory of relativity and special theory of relativity works despite watching all these videos. Can someone explain all this to me like I'm a 5th grader?


the most WTF about that movie was every minute they were out there was equal to decades on earth or more.

so after he left the woman and somehow returned to earth, how is he just gonna hop on a spaceship and go join her to have a life with her, when her bones should have been hundreds of years old and turned to ashes long before he could ever get back to her?

but the way they described time should have made it impossible for his daughter to still be alive even if she lived to be 150 yrs old
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:19 pm to
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which makes the decision to explore the water planet even more ridiculous. As though it was even a remote possibility that it could be habitable
I mean, it had a lot of water.
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:23 pm to
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which makes the decision to explore the water planet even more ridiculous. As though it was even a remote possibility that it could be habitable
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Agreed.
Posted by The Eric
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:28 pm to
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the most WTF about that movie was every minute they were out there was equal to decades on earth or more. so after he left the woman and somehow returned to earth, how is he just gonna hop on a spaceship and go join her to have a life with her, when her bones should have been hundreds of years old and turned to ashes long before he could ever get back to her? but the way they described time should have made it impossible for his daughter to still be alive even if she lived to be 150 yrs old



Nah. She was closer to a gravitational pull. Which means he would be the one who is aged. But if he is able to create wormholes (likely learned via the data sent back home from the tesseract, he should be able to get there much quicker) similar to how the first crew left and crashed on the water planet “years ago” but really just 30 or so minutes ago.

Matt would age. Anne would age slower.

As for his daughter. It’s hinted that she has been some sort of sleep state.

On a story level though, the moral is that love can keep us alive outside of physics that dictate life.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Locoguan0
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:39 pm to
What is fun is that relative velocity and gravity both effect time. The ISS is moving at about 17k mph. This means that they experience time more slowly than people on Earth surface. However, they are also farther from the center of Earth gravity, which means some of that time is put back on the clock. After 6 months up there, you would have experienced 0.005 seconds less time than those people at sea level on Earth.
Think about satellites and the need to keep them synced with Earth time. That requires some very precise software.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:41 pm to
If gravity is a constant force, then how can a balloon float or how can a magnet be suspended between two plates in mid air?

Just askin...
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:47 pm to
Not just that, but because the way GPS works is hyper precise measurement of time, they actually have to correct for the difference between surface time and satélite time regularly.


Similarly, the core of the earth is a couple of years “younger” then the surface.
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:52 pm to
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If gravity is a constant force, then how can a balloon float or how can a magnet be suspended between two plates in mid air? Just askin...


A balloon is full of helium which has a much less dense mass.

As for a magnet.

Gravity isn’t the only force that exists.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53452 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

If gravity is a constant force, then how can a balloon float or how can a magnet be suspended between two plates in mid air?

Just askin...


Well first, it’s not a constant force technically. But that’s a more complex conversation than what is needed here.

But the answer to your question is that those things occur because there are other forces in place that present a larger upward vector force than the downward vector force of gravity.

Buoyancy in the first case, magnetic force in the second.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:42 am to
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which makes the decision to explore the water planet even more ridiculous. As though it was even a remote possibility that it could be habitable

it was a decision Cooper made because he thought Brand was being dishonest about it being the wrong choice because she was in love with the guy that went to the other planet.

Brand was correct, it didn't make sense to go there. It was her job and he didn't trust that she was being honest. She even admitted that her boo being on the other planet played a part, and then she was right. Beautiful movie, just finished watching it for the first time since it's release
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:49 am to
Yeah, I've given up trying to understand time dilation.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:12 am to
I can understand it in theory but having to witness it first hand would probably blow your mind
Posted by lsusa
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:41 am to
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it was a decision Cooper made because he thought Brand was being dishonest about it being the wrong choice because she was in love with the guy that went to the other planet. Brand was correct, it didn't make sense to go there. It was her job and he didn't trust that she was being honest. She even admitted that her boo being on the other planet played a part, and then she was right. Beautiful movie, just finished watching it for the first time since it's release



It’s been a few months since I’ve seen the movie so I don’t remember the exact conversation that went into them deciding to stop at Miller’s planet first….

But one thing that has always troubled me is that while they are on Miller’s planet, I believe after the wave hits, they acknowledge that she had likely “just landed” before they got there due to the time dilation.

They knew before they landed that “1 hour on the planet equaled 7 years”. Cooper took a hard landing to save time that Miller wouldn’t have done, which if she say flew around for a but looking for a good spot she barely had time to do more than confirm she landed - certainly not provide any good data.

That’s a lot of typing to say that it was a real bad decision to stop on Millers planet.
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