re: The Plot Against America (HBO)

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bullshite. He was called a nazi for not wanting to go to war and for calling out the media for encouraging America's involvement.

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Lindbergh wasn’t shy about his white supremacist and anti-Semitic beliefs. In 1939, he wrote for Reader’s Digest that Americans “can have peace and security only so long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races.” According to him, Hitler “accomplished results (good in addition to bad) which could hardly have been accomplished without some fanaticism.”

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Doesn’t make him a Nazi supporter, but it sure sounds like he had Nazi sympathies. Also him trying to fight in the war after all of this rhetoric may have been a PR move, but no one knows his true motivations but the man himself


ETA: There is a big difference between a NAZI and a NAZI sympathizer. I highly doubt that all NAZI sympathizers knew the extent of what was going on

Also, last thing. To be against going to war is essentially being for appeasement. Appeasement was seen as the alternative to war at that point. Even though war was inevitable

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Doesn’t make him a Nazi supporter, but it sure sounds like he had Nazi sympathies

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Billy Wilder lost almost his entire family in the Holocaust, but seemed to think enough of Lindbergh to make a bio-pic out of his memoir, The Spirit of St. Louis.

Most of the anti-Lindbergh stuff didn't get kicked into high gear until long after his death, and I don't see anything wrong with someone pointing out that jewish-run newspapers were campaigning to go to war. They were.
Sure, they had obvious reasons, but many people didn't want their sons sent off to fight for any reason, let alone the interests of one group.

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him trying to fight in the war after all of this rhetoric may have been a PR move,

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According to who? You? Yeah, your personal theories are duly noted man.

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Also, last thing. To be against going to war is essentially being for appeasement. Appeasement was seen as the alternative to war at that point. Even though war was inevitable

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Lindbergh was an isolationist, like his former Congressman father.

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When Lindbergh was four years old, Minnesota’s Sixth Congressional District elected his father, Charles August Lindbergh, to the U.S. House of Representatives. The elder Lindbergh would serve five terms in Congress, where he won a reputation for his independent stances and fierce opposition to the Federal Reserve System. Congressman Lindbergh was among the few members of the House to speak out against U.S. involvement in World War I, and was later censored and accused of sedition after writing an anti-war pamphlet called “Why is Your Country at War?”

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Looks like getting smeared runs in his family as well.

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You excised the part where I literally said “no one knows his true motivations but the man himself.”

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Yeah, your intent was to cast doubt on his "motivations," for which you have zero basis. Wannabe propagandist.

Men don't tend to risk their lives repeatedly just for PR.

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Contrary to popular belief, there were many Americans who had Nazi sympathies in the 30s because the Nazis were (seemingly) putting their people to work and giving them jobs with paying wages. That wasn't true for many Americans in the mid-30s. I mean, shite, Adolf Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938.

When he began to show his true colors in 1939-40, many Americans soured on Hitler and his Nazi Party. By 1941, most Americans who had been pro-Germany prior to the German invasion of Poland had resigned themselves to the fact that they would eventually be at war with Hitler and his Nazi thugs

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For sure, I was trying to say the same thing. I highly doubt that all Nazi sympathizers knew what was actually going down in Germany. Least of all the Americans

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Contrary to popular belief, there were many Americans who had Nazi sympathies in the 30s because the Nazis were (seemingly) putting their people to work and giving them jobs with paying wages. That wasn't true for many Americans in the mid-30s. I mean, shite, Adolf Hitler was Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938.

When he began to show his true colors in 1939-40, many Americans soured on Hitler and his Nazi Party. By 1941, most Americans who had been pro-Germany prior to the German invasion of Poland had resigned themselves to the fact that they would eventually be at war with Hitler and his Nazi thugs.

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I came to post just this.

Everyone always acts like the 1936 Olympics were some kind of "evil Nazi's against the world" type of thing... But they weren't.

Germany was kind of seen as a great post war post devastation success story around the world. They had thrived under Hitler and he guided them out of turmoil following their embarrassment from WW1 and the Versailles Treaty. This caught the eye of lots of industrialists and such like Henry Ford.

Sure, they were a bit showy with all the Nazi party stuff, but they were a respected industrial, nationalist power in the 30s by many.

Once they started invading others and it was obvious they were hell bent on taking over the world, the script flipped, just as the above poster mentioned.

Before that, they were really only criticized by communist sympathizing lefties, which numbered very few in those days. Remember, America was still in a depression and they looked at the German economic comeback with admiration.

I think guys like Churchill, though, always saw the Nazi's for what they really were. He was always skeptical of Hitler.

He had the Norm Macdonald approach after fighting them in The Great War. There's only one country that really scares me

Yeah, I’m sure that Jews would have been persecuted in the US, at a time when Goldman Sachs and Lehman Bros were dominating Wall Street, and Louis Mayer and Adolph Zukor were running major movie studios and broadcasting empires, and there had recently been two Jews on the SCOTUS.

Many Americans in the 30s thought Hitler and the Nazis were great.

There's video of one of their big patriotic rallies held in New York City.

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On the evening of Feb. 20, 1939, the marquee of New York's Madison Square Garden was lit up with the evening's main event: a "Pro American Rally." The organizers had chosen the date in celebration of George Washington's birthday and had procured a 30-foot-tall banner of America's first president for the stage. More than 20,000 men and women streamed inside and took their seats. The view they had was stunning: Washington was hung between American flags — and swastikas.

The rally was sponsored by the German American Bund, an organization with headquarters in Manhattan and thousands of members across the United States. In the 1930s, the Bund was one of several organizations in the United States that were openly supportive of Adolf Hitler and the rise of fascism in Europe. They had parades, bookstores and summer camps for youth. Their vision for America was a cocktail of white supremacy, fascist ideology and American patriotism.

At Madison Square Garden, the rally opened with the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag. The mood was jubilant. Attendees wore Nazi armbands, waved American flags and held aloft posters with slogans like "Stop Jewish Domination of Christian America." There were storm troopers in the aisles, their uniforms almost identical to those of Nazi Germany. "It looked like any political rally — only with a Nazi twist," said Arnie Bernstein, author of Swastika Nation.

The speeches were explicitly anti-Semitic, and tirades against "job-taking Jewish refugees" were met with thunderous applause. "They demanded a white gentile America. They denounced Roosevelt as 'Rosenfeld,' to say that Roosevelt was in the pocket of rich Jews," said Sarah Churchwell, author of Behold, America. In equal measure to the xenophobia, the speeches were loaded with American boosterism.

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Kuhn's opening remarks didn't pull any punches. "You all have heard of me through the Jewish-controlled press," he said, a line that garnered cheers from the crowd. "Wake up! You, Aryan, Nordic and Christians, to demand that our government be returned to the people who founded it!"

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When Nazis Took Manhattan

The Kuhn fellow who was the leader was negotiating with the Jersey KKK to have a joint rally. It fell apart when he was arrested for embezzling $14,000 from his own group and using the money to pay his mistress.

Sounds familiar