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The Plot Against America (HBO)
Posted on 3/17/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/17/20 at 10:20 am
Can't believe I didn't know about this and stumbled across it last night by accident while flipping through the stations.
The Plot Against America was a 2004 book that I enjoyed very much. Written by Philip Roth, it's an alternative history novel (I love to read those). The alternative history comes in when Charles Lindbergh decides to accept the Republican party's nomination for President in 1940, runs, and defeats Franklin D. Roosevelt (it should be noted that in 'real life', Lindbergh was a leader in the America First movement, an isolationist and an anti-semite).
The novel tells the overall story from the personal standpoint of a Jewish family in Newark, NJ, focusing on their trials and tribulations (the youngest boy, Philip, is ostensibly Philip Roth himself). As Lindbergh moves internationally to make allowances for the the Axis powers, domestically he begins programs to "break up" and spread out Jewish communities. Things go downhill from there, both for the family and for the nation as a whole.
HBO has put together a miniseries version of the novel. The first episode premiered last night; there will be six altogether (a new one every Monday night; this is HBO not Netflix so no binge-watching). It may be a little slow for some folks; not a lot of "action" (not quite as slow or tedious as The Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime, another alt-history adaptation), but so far, it is very well-made and rather close to the book, which I appreciate. High production values-- they did a really good job of re-creating 1940s America.
The only real stars in the cast play supporting characters-- Winona Ryder as an aunt, and John Turturro as a Lindbergh-supporting rabbi who eventually marries that aunt.
Something to watch over the next six weeks of Covid-19 down time....
The Plot Against America was a 2004 book that I enjoyed very much. Written by Philip Roth, it's an alternative history novel (I love to read those). The alternative history comes in when Charles Lindbergh decides to accept the Republican party's nomination for President in 1940, runs, and defeats Franklin D. Roosevelt (it should be noted that in 'real life', Lindbergh was a leader in the America First movement, an isolationist and an anti-semite).
The novel tells the overall story from the personal standpoint of a Jewish family in Newark, NJ, focusing on their trials and tribulations (the youngest boy, Philip, is ostensibly Philip Roth himself). As Lindbergh moves internationally to make allowances for the the Axis powers, domestically he begins programs to "break up" and spread out Jewish communities. Things go downhill from there, both for the family and for the nation as a whole.
HBO has put together a miniseries version of the novel. The first episode premiered last night; there will be six altogether (a new one every Monday night; this is HBO not Netflix so no binge-watching). It may be a little slow for some folks; not a lot of "action" (not quite as slow or tedious as The Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime, another alt-history adaptation), but so far, it is very well-made and rather close to the book, which I appreciate. High production values-- they did a really good job of re-creating 1940s America.
The only real stars in the cast play supporting characters-- Winona Ryder as an aunt, and John Turturro as a Lindbergh-supporting rabbi who eventually marries that aunt.
Something to watch over the next six weeks of Covid-19 down time....
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 5:06 pm
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 10:53 am to BRich
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Charles Lindbergh decides to accept the Republican party's nomination for President in 1940,
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The novel tells the overall story from the personal standpoint of a Jewish family in Newark, NJ, focusing on their trials and tribulations (the youngest boy, Philip, is ostensibly Philip Roth himself). As Lindbergh moves internationally to make allowances for the the Axis powers, domestically he begins programs to "break up" and spread out Jewish communities. Things go downhill from there, both for the family and for the nation as a whole.
Wow another Republicans are Nazis project from the entertainment industry? Color me shocked.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:24 am to tiggerthetooth
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Wow another Republicans are Nazis project from the entertainment industry? Color me shocked.
I'm pretty sure 1940's Republicans were very different than modern, Post-Goldwater, Republicans. Democrats were seen as the racists during that era.
I think this is more of a referendum on Lindbergh as opposed to Republicans. Despite what you may thing about Charles Lindbergh, he was not a good man. Aside from being a Nazi sympathizer and a proponent of appeasement, he also had like 4 secret German families. Dude was setting up franchises
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:32 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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I think this is more of a referendum on Lindbergh as opposed to Republicans
Sure but they still deliberately made sure he was Republican. Hollywood never does anything by accident.
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Despite what you may thing about Charles Lindbergh, he was not a good man. Aside from being a Nazi sympathizer and a proponent of appeasement, he also had like 4 secret German families. Dude was setting up franchises
Sure, he was a complex person as most people are. Henry Ford worked with Nazis as well.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:35 am to tiggerthetooth
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Sure, he was a complex person as most people are. Henry Ford worked with Nazis as well.
there's a difference between being complex and being an active anti semite and nazi sympathizer. Winston Churchill was "complex." Lindbergh and Ford were both virulent anti-semites who saw jewish conspiracies in everything. Lindbergh's views were well documented.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:39 am to BRich
I didn't realize this had started. Looking forward to it, I thought the book was really good when I read it years ago. And this is David Simon writing/producing.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:40 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:Kind of hard to defeat an incumbent president—let alone FDR, who was re-elected so many times that they amended the constitution to prevent that again—and not be the nominee of the other major party.
Sure but they still deliberately made sure he was Republican.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:42 am to tiggerthetooth
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ow another Republicans are Nazis project from the entertainment industry? Color me shocked.
Shocking this airs in an election year. So stunning, so brave.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:43 am to buckeye_vol
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Kind of hard to defeat an incumbent president—let alone FDR, who was re-elected so many times that they amended the constitution to prevent that again—and not be the nominee of the other major party.
Huey Long would have beat him if he hadn’t been assassinated.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:54 am to tiggerthetooth
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Sure, he was a complex person as most people are. Henry Ford worked with Nazis as well.
If by complex, you mean a total POS, then I agree. Henry Ford was not a good dude either. "The International Jew" and whatnot
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:58 am to BRich
Alternate Nazi History is so hot right now.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:41 pm to BRich
Stuff like this usually gets released around the same time Israel goes on a bombing spree. Can't wait to scan the headlines.
The rest is just a ripoff of Philip K. Dick.
The rest is just a ripoff of Philip K. Dick.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:50 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:bullshite. He was called a nazi for not wanting to go to war and for calling out the media for encouraging America's involvement.
Despite what you may thing about Charles Lindbergh, he was not a good man. Aside from being a Nazi sympathizer and a proponent of appeasement
When we did go to war, he tried to enlist, but was blocked by Roosevelt. Still, he found a way to fight.
quote:Strange behavior for a guy who supposedly supported nazis
As the United States edged closer to war, many began to denounce the former hero as an anti-Semite and a traitor. Lindbergh gave up his crusade and tried to win a commission in the military after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, but President Roosevelt—who privately called the aviator a Nazi—barred him from serving. Lindbergh later spent time as a test pilot and aviation advisor before travelling to the war’s Pacific Theater as an observer. Though officially a civilian, he eventually flew around 50 combat missions and even shot down a Japanese fighter plane.
LINK
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:04 pm to blueboy
quote:Alt History based upon WW2/Nazis existed long before The Man in the High Castle.
just a ripoff of Philip K. Dick.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Got any examples? MITHC was written in 1962.
Alt History based upon WW2/Nazis existed long before The Man in the High Castle.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:13 pm to AggieHank86
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Alt History based upon WW2/Nazis existed long before The Man in the High Castle.
We also deserve something to make up for the last season of High Castle. It was near GoT level bad.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:18 pm to blueboy
quote:Off the top of my head, Asimov wrote one in the mid-50s.quote:Got any examples? MITHC was written in 1962.
Alt History based upon WW2/Nazis existed long before The Man in the High Castle.
PKD was a very original guy, but he was not nearly the first in this milieu.
And lots of subsequent work was better than Man in the High Castle,
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
My Lord you all are so sensitive.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:30 pm to AggieHank86
quote:1985, but you're super close.
Off the top of my head, Asimov wrote one in the mid-50s.
Swing and a miss.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:31 pm to blueboy
quote:not so muchquote:1985, but you're super close.
Off the top of my head, Asimov wrote one in the mid-50s.
Swing and a miss.
Living Space (1956)
Misplaced snark is the most-entertaining snark.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:36 pm
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