re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

. . . and yet Chris Nolan has yet to refute Jon's comments about the plot.

At some point, all will have to agree that logic would dictate that Jon spoke accurately.

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At some point, all will have to agree that logic would dictate that Jon spoke accurately.

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I will never accept that as an accurate answer, since logic indicates that didn't happen. There's no way that Cooper will be able to find her since she quite literally may be on the opposite end of the cosmos or in another plain of reality as we know it. As one poster said, if this is the case, then Murph basically told her father to go kill himself. That is not acceptable or logical.

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Champagne

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logically your argument works.

Jon Nolan said black hole is closed
Chris Nolan remains silent meaning he doesn't refute what Jon said.
Therefore it follows that Chris must also believe it because he doesn't refute it.
Therefore the black hole is closed in the minds of the Nolan's, meaning because they both wrote it, the hole is closed.

My problem with this argument though is it doesn't take into consideration all of the evidence the movie provides, and Nolan's style of directing.

To the best of my memory, the end of the movie is in no way clear about if the hole is still open or closed, while it appears based on the dialogue and what actually happened that it is still open and Dr. Cooper is going to save dr. brand. But this is purposefully left unanswered. If you came out and said that the hole is closed without the knowledge of what a co-writter said about the ending, than you would be seen as stupid. There is NOTHING in the movie that would suggest that the hole is closed. Much more points to the idea that the hole is in fact open not closed.

So while the way you explain your argument makes sense it doesn't line up with the evidence meaning one of your premises, I think specifically that him remaining silent on the issue points to John Nolan being correct is wrong.

I think it is very clear by the ending of the movie that, the ending was written to be left up to interpretation. It is very very very possible that it was written in one way, aka the worm hole was closed, than in the process of filming editing and such they changed the ending to not revel if it was open or closed.

You are taking John's words as Gospel and I think you are incorrect for doing so.

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You are taking John's words as Gospel and I think you are incorrect for doing so.

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I reject your use of the term "Gospel" because we are only examining the evidence before us and reaching logical conclusions therefrom. We must detach all emotion from our analysis. We must engage in neither mind-reading nor speculation. We must bind ourselves to Logic.

So, that said, what's the evidence?

1) Jon Nolan says the wormhole is closed

2) The wormhole does not appear anywhere in the film after Cooper meets with his daughter

Here's a relevant fact, but, cannot be said to be dispositive: after two weeks, Chris Nolan remains mute and has not corrected his co-writer's comments.

Silence does not usually indicate disagreement, but, is commonly said to signal the opposite.

Finally, even if the wormhole is closed, Cooper's brave dash into the Unknown is NOT a death sentence. He could make sure to chart his return at the point where he has just sufficient fuel to get back home.

I'm speculating here, but, maybe Cooper's going out there to find some other wormhole, or find a way to "slingshot" his way over to A. Brand.

Or, Cooper could search, return with just enough fuel and then begin planning his NEXT venture out to find and rescue A. Brand.

Does "Wormhole closed" definitely mean Death for Cooper? He's smart enough to end the search in a timely enough manner to get back home.

Fact is that a co-writer has commented and the other co-writer has not refuted the comments. Fact is that the Wormhole doesn't appear in the film again, even though there the audience sees images of space at the end of the film. The audience can see that the Wormhole is not there.

I think that the poster who calls himself/herself "C" has a point. Others may try to speculate, mind-read and guess what Chris Nolan would say to us at this point, but, I choose not to speculate on this particular issue.

I can indeed speculate and say that Cooper, without the Wormhole, does not die in his rescue attempt, but, returns and heads out again and again as long as he is physically able to pilot the spacecraft. He has made the rescue of A. Brand his entire life's purpose.

Those Fifth Dimension beings are still out there. Cooper is gambling that they will again show him the way this time, and if not THIS time, then maybe on the next rescue voyage.

Cooper is a real Hero here. He knows that the odds are against him, but, he's making it his life's work to try rescue. He's smart enough to get back home in time to prepare for a subsequent rescue mission.

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in kip thornes book it sounds like Jon wrote the initial screenplay and the Chris rewrote without jon's input

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Having listened to an interview with Jonah Nolan on the Nerdist, I believe this is how they always work, passing the scripts back and forth without much interaction until they are near completion.

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read up on the bulk. or Brane cosmology

ill try to post the relevant chapter later

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Can you post the relevant page from the screenplay? That matters more.

The main problem is that the movie doesn't show either way if the worm hole is closed or not. So no matter what Jon Nolan says, the movie didn't show it. That is what most of us are trying to get at. Jon Nolan may say it closed but the movie didn't show that it closed. Plus we get what 10 second shot of Cooper floating around in space.

Plus if the wormhole wasn't there how did he end up there in the first place. did it close when he exited the worm hole? (the movie doesn't answer the later half of this question.)

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This may be a few days late.... but you do realize that at this point there really isn't an original thought. Everything we say and think is put there from the the experiences we have, whether that be from reading or from talking with others. So actually you're the pretentious dumbass thinking he has his own original thought.

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Kind of late as well, because I was banned, but I disagree. I think you're confusing the components of thought and expressions of it with actual thought itself. If there was no such thing as original thought, there would be no innovation. People come up with new concepts all the time, though they use the same words and numbers to express them.

It's like a piano. There are 88 keys to work with. Always have been, always will be, but the music that can be made with a piano is infinite.

And yes, I was kind of wasted that night. Soory.

My point about the film is that they introduce a non-linear concept at the end and juxtapose it with a linear storyline. I understand the basic scientific theories and concepts being employed, but to me, purely as a movie, it is too much of a convenient resolution. Mankind turns itself into timeless gods who have the power to resolve all of the problems in linear story, from any point in the story.

I may have said this before, but it's like being in a dream. You're about to be eaten by a shark and suddenly, you realize that you can walk on water or fly, because it's a dream. Sure, in that context, it works and the situation is resolved, but in the context of reality, it wouldn't make a very relatable or interesting plot resolution if told to someone else.

That said, I'd still vote it best picture if I was a member of the academy, and if it doesn't win for cinematography, it would be a crime.

This is turning into the "She dropped it on purpose" debate. One for the ages.