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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:51 pm to Champagne
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:51 pm to Champagne
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Also, how does one "show" in the film that it is closed? Simply put, the absence of an image of it in a frame of film indicates that it's closed and no longer exists.
They could have, you know, mentioned it, and not highly, highly imply that Cooper is going to where Brand is, but the lack of a wormhole makes that an impossibility. Sorry, but I'm not buying that. It goes completely against what the film told us.
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Isn't there something especially heroic about venturing off at long odds, with a commitment to return and venture out again and again until his rescue mission is complete? No Fear. No Surrender.
How is he going to find her and get to her? It would be the equivalent of throwing someone in the ocean with floaties on, and then say somewhere in some other ocean or sea in the world that another person is waiting for him. Actually, it's even more absurd than that since there are more stars than there are grains of sand in the world. He has no clue where this solar system is, aside from the fact that it's in all likelihood in another galaxy, of which there are billions and of which the are billions of stars. Plus I doubt the humans discovered how to go to light speed or create wormholes in the time Cooper is gone, so it's a moot point. If that wormhole is closed and he didn't go back to the station, then his death is an absolute mathematical certainty.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 7:01 pm
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:08 pm to abellsujr
Why would Cooper take off in a cruiser if he was going to have to make a linear trip 1000's of light years away. Unless Interstellar is really like the TV show Lost and everyone is really dead.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:09 pm to rebeloke
quote:That's a good question for Jonathan Nolan.
Why would Cooper take off in a cruiser if he was going to have to make a linear trip 1000's of light years away.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:37 pm to OMLandshark
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If that wormhole is closed and he didn't go back to the station, then his death is an absolute mathematical certainty.
You keep stating that Cooper's death is an absolute mathematical certainty without the wormhole.
Cooper's smart enough to explore out there and head back home with enough fuel to get him back home.
Then, he immediately plans his next rescue mission and tries again and again and again until he's too old to fly or some other space/time anomaly shows up to aid him. That's the speculative part -- we never know whether his rescue mission succeeds.
But, I'm happy with the ending that the Co Writer Jon Nolan wrote for us OR the one that some fans of the film are writing for us. I'm comfy with both endings.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:44 pm to Champagne
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Then, he immediately plans his next rescue mission and tries again and again and again until he's too old to fly or some other space/time anomaly shows up to aid him. That's the speculative part -- we never know whether his rescue mission succeeds.
Never thought about it like that. Everyone is assuming that he just jets off with a "Brand or Bust" attitude.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:17 pm to lsuhunt555
I did too, at first. But then I realized that Cooper is rational.
Cooper ends up like Sisyphus. Sisyphus must push that boulder up the hill again and again. Cooper's going back out there again and again until he finds a way or gets too old to fly.
The odds are very great against him, so, he knows that he'll have to make more than one attempt.
Cooper ends up like Sisyphus. Sisyphus must push that boulder up the hill again and again. Cooper's going back out there again and again until he finds a way or gets too old to fly.
The odds are very great against him, so, he knows that he'll have to make more than one attempt.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:28 pm to Champagne
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Cooper ends up like Sisyphus
Hey they have medicine for that.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:25 am to Cs
I guess I might be in the minority, but I totally lost interest in the move when: 1.matt damon went 'crazy' for lack of a better term and tried to take control of everything - I'm trying to be vague for those that haven't seen the movie.
2. the book shelf incident after mcconaughey went into the black hole and had the bookshelf incident.
the movie bored me after these parts.
2. the book shelf incident after mcconaughey went into the black hole and had the bookshelf incident.
the movie bored me after these parts.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 5:26 am to Gorilla Ball
Yeah, Jason Bourne is such a thug piece of shite.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 7:14 am to Gorilla Ball
Those happened well into the movie. The bookshelf in the terresac happened almost at the end of the movie. So perhaps instead of saying it bored you, you mean the movie lost you? This movie could easily be spun into a storyline of "Lost in Space" for the sequel.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 9:16 am to Gorilla Ball
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the movie bored me after these parts.
Not sure how to react. Are you familiar with Nolan's work outside of Batman? These movies are supposed to make you think - if you were bored, that obviously didn't work.
Good news a new F&F is coming out (7). I bet that won't be boring.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 12:03 pm to Champagne
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Cooper's smart enough to explore out there and head back home with enough fuel to get him back home.
Do you understand the size of the cosmos? That thing couldn't reach Alpha Centauri, nevertheless even a neighboring galaxy. There's no exploring. You might as well say he needs to explore an 10x10 Island just to make sure he couldn't reach Brand. He knows he can't do that without a wormhole. She's in another galaxy. It's completely impossible to reach her if what Jonathan Nolan says is true.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 3:25 pm to Champagne
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Cooper's smart enough to explore out there and head back home with enough fuel to get him back home.
You act like he's just going for a spin around the moons of Saturn. The planetary system they explored via the wormhole is in another galaxy. On average, galaxies are 13.3 million light years apart from each other.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:06 pm to RollTide1987
Folks, the Co writer of the story told us all what's up.
Until his comment is refuted by the other Co-writer, I can find no rational reason to call him a liar or a moron.
Until his comment is refuted by the other Co-writer, I can find no rational reason to call him a liar or a moron.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:10 pm to Champagne
This is pretty damn funny. It's like everybody's saying "I loved your movie, but your ending is all wrong. This is what really happened.....". 
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:17 pm to Champagne
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Folks, the Co writer of the story told us all what's up.
So because George Lucas added in a "NOOOOOO!" when Darth Vader threw the Emperor down the main reactor shaft 30 years after the fact means it was there to begin with?
No one in the film tells us if the wormhole is open or closed. If it is closed then all those people on that space station are going to die. Plan A has failed.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:20 pm to RollTide1987
quote:This is a change made years later and put into the movie. This movie just came out and the writer is giving incite into the story.
So because George Lucas added in a "NOOOOOO!" when Darth Vader threw the Emperor down the main reactor shaft 35 years after the fact means it was there to begin with?
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:26 pm to abellsujr
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This is a change made years later and put into the movie. This movie just came out and the writer is giving incite into the story.
The difference is, that change is now in the movie. We can see it and hear it as verifiable fact. We are never told the wormhole has collapsed by any of the characters in the movie. And the final lines delivered by Murph pretty much tell us that Brand is within traveling distance. And the final shot of the movie suggests that there is more than one person living on that planet with Brand, which suggests that we have already started creating a colony out there.
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:27 pm to RollTide1987
quote:You were not told if it was closed or open, except by one of the two writers.
The difference is, that change is now in the movie. We can see it and hear it as verifiable fact. We are never told the wormhole has collapsed by any of the characters in the movie. And the final lines delivered by Murph pretty much tell us that Brand is within traveling distance. And the final shot of the movie suggests that there is more than one person living on that planet with Brand, which suggests that we have already started creating a colony out there.
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By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
IGN: And he has to try and get to Brand in this little ship?
Nolan: That's the idea.
This post was edited on 11/15/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 11/15/14 at 4:32 pm to abellsujr
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except by one of the two writers
Which doesn't make it canon if it isn't shown in the film. And besides, Jonathan Nolan hadn't written a page of Interstellar since Spielberg was originally attached to direct. His brother has about as much credit to that movie as Stephen Sinclair does as one of the writers for The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.
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