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Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:31 am to rebeloke
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This film uses principles of science but takes great liberties with the adaptation of those theories, which you seem to love.
Yeah, I did love it. As did millions of other people. Science fiction wouldn't even exist as a genre if the foundational principles of science weren't stretched or modified in some way. Hence the "fiction".
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At no point do I find evidence for your interpetation of the 5th deminsional beings altering physics. Your logic is cyclical. Everything that can't be explained just defaults back to the 5th deminsional beings. I think therefore I am bra!
I'm not attempting to publish a paper in Reviews of Modern Physics on theoretical quantum physicis...I'm simply going by what the film revealed to us. I'm not sure why you're attempting to dissect the film as if it were your senior thesis. We all understand it's science fiction, you don't need to remind us.
In the film, we have 5 dimensional beings. They construct a tesseract within a black hole to show Cooper that time is a spatial, physical dimension in which all points exist concurrently. There isn't a beginning or end, and there isn't a linearity by which events occur. All temporal moments exist concurrently, just as all coordinates in an XYZ plane exists simultaneously.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:32 am to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:35 am to Cs
You are frequently wrong but never in doubt. I'll give you that. 
Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:38 am to rebeloke
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You are frequently wrong
Well, don't hold back. Where am I wrong? Accepting that what I'm watching is fiction, and not attempting to rigidly apply contemporary quantum physics theories to a movie?
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:24 am to FleuryNipples
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The wormhole was not closed
Im pretty sure that it was even mentioned in the movie that it was closed. Additionally, in my opinion, when he stuck his hand out to shake Brands hand it was him crossing them in the wormhole as it was closing. But thats just my opinion.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:50 am to Cs
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Nolan: By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
IGN: And he has to try and get to Brand in this little ship?
Nolan: That's the idea.
is that Christopher Nolan?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:32 am to catholictigerfan
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is that Christopher Nolan?
Jon Nolan is credited as a co-writer and he worked on the story for about 4 years before Chris began directing the story. Jon made this statement, not Chris.
However, given the fact that Jon made this statement at some time in the past, has CHRIS Nolan offered any comment that what Jon said about the wormhole being closed is incorrect?
I believe the answer is "no", so, at this point, it seems logical to accept Jon's explanation about the wormhole being closed.
If Chris Nolan at some point refutes Jon's explanation, I would certainly accept the Director's final word. However, this has not occurred.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:45 am to rebeloke
quote:yes.
Have you ever read Albert Einstein's theory of relativity?
This movie based on the idea that it's not natural. It's said in the movie, in the interview by j Nolan, and in the book by kip thorne.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:48 am to Cs
quote:exactly, besides that and cooper mentioning it in the teserract, "love" was mentioned for all 2 minutes in an almost 3 hour movie.
I thought the "love" aspect wasn't nearly as saccharine as some viewers think. In fact, aside from Brand's hokey monologue, it wasn't really a major aspect of the film
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:05 am to abellsujr
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Nolan said it closed.
The amateur Nolan said it closed, not the professional one
The story was clearly altered to show the wormhole was still open. They set up the space station at Saturn why? Because the wormhole was there. Pilots were flying out of the station around Saturn why? Because the wormhole was there. Murph told Cooper to go find Brand why? Because the wormhole was there.
Think about how the ending changes if the wormhole closed. Murph essentially told her father: "do me a favor...kill yourself"
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:14 am to abellsujr
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Nolan said it closed
Chris didn't though. Plus the ending makes no sense if the wormhole still isn't open.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:53 am to rebeloke
quote:I'll just leave this here for you
And to the point: the ratio of time on the "water planet" is 1 hour equals 7 years on Earth. That is relevant to those who want to show this film is not using real science at all times. This film uses principles of science but takes great liberties with the adaptation of those theories, which you seem to love. I am okay with adaptation but I try to ground my interpetation of the film with an eye toward real theory.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:04 am to Champagne
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Jon Nolan is credited as a co-writer and he worked on the story for about 4 years before Chris began directing the story. Jon made this statement, not Chris.
However, given the fact that Jon made this statement at some time in the past, has CHRIS Nolan offered any comment that what Jon said about the wormhole being closed is incorrect?
I believe the answer is "no", so, at this point, it seems logical to accept Jon's explanation about the wormhole being closed.
If Chris Nolan at some point refutes Jon's explanation, I would certainly accept the Director's final word. However, this has not occurred.
no I don't think it is clear enough to make this statement. IT is very very possible that Jon Nolan wrote it as closed, than Chris in the midst of editing it hated the ending with it closed so changed it up enough to where it was not clear if it was open or not.
Just because a writer says it is this way doesn't mean it is that way.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:06 am to catholictigerfan
quote:in kip thornes book it sounds like Jon wrote the initial screenplay and the Chris rewrote without jon's input
no I don't think it is clear enough to make this statement.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:08 am to jeff5891
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in kip thornes book it sounds like Jon wrote the initial screenplay and the Chris rewrote without jon's input
its a good thing too
the original script was kinda horrible
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:27 am to abellsujr
Let's talk about the length of this movie.
at approximately 3 hours long, I looked at my watch around 2 hours in and was relieved to know that I had almost an entire hour left.
I did not leave the theater thinking it was too long. I left the theater yearning for more.
Can't wait for the inevitable sequel Dude, Where's My Spaceship?"
at approximately 3 hours long, I looked at my watch around 2 hours in and was relieved to know that I had almost an entire hour left.
I did not leave the theater thinking it was too long. I left the theater yearning for more.
Can't wait for the inevitable sequel Dude, Where's My Spaceship?"
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:35 am to jeff5891
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jeff5891
Interesting piece. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:36 am to catholictigerfan
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IT is very very possible that Jon Nolan wrote it as closed, than Chris in the midst of editing it hated the ending with it closed so changed it up enough to where it was not clear if it was open or not.
Of course your scenario is possible, but, it currently exists in the realm of pure speculation, given the fact that Chris Nolan has never refuted his co-writer's comments with regard to this issue.
Logic dictates that Jon Nolan spoke accurately, because he wrote the story, and his comment has never been challenged by the other Nolan who helped with the story and directed the film.
It is possible that you are correct, but, given what facts we have before us right now, it is not logical to conclude that you are correct.
I do hope that Chris Nolan will clear this issue up for us very soon, but, he's had plenty of time to do so. I will speculate and state that it's possible that Chris Nolan is perfectly happy with his brother's comments on this issue.
"C" did remind us that the wormhole is not visible anywhere on screen after Cooper visits with his elderly daughter in the hospital. Is this accurate? Did "C" remember this correctly? Was the wormhole visible in the film after this point in the film?
I saw this film on the First of November. Chris Nolan has had two full weeks to clarify his brother's comment WRT this issue, and he has not chosen to do so.
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