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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:10 pm to Champagne
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:10 pm to Champagne
It is no where stated in the ending. It's not stated anywhere or shown anywhere. The dude could have said that the key to understanding the 5th dimension was purple unicorns. Since we weren't shown any purple unicorns, we can't say that it is the key to the 5th dimension.
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:11 pm to Champagne
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OK, we will ignore the man who spent four years writing the film and write our own ending to suit ourselves.
It was not in the movie though.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:11 pm to OMLandshark
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So just read this interview with Jonah Nolan, and he claims that the wormhole shut when Cooper was thrust out of it after his adventure in Gargantua. Can't say this makes much sense , since I thought for sure Cooper was on his way back through the Wormhole to see Brand and that she sent off a signal that her planet could harbor human life. I really want double confirmation from Christopher if this is the case, since as far as I'm concerned, all Cooper did was ride off to his death. Assuming Brand is in the Andromeda Galaxy (our closest neighbor, and really one hell of a stretch regardless), if Cooper was somehow able to go the speed of light (which I highly doubt), it would take him at least 500,000 years to reach the outer edge of Andromeda. And if this is the case, I'm guessing Brand went and started Plan B, and there's another group of humans out there across the cosmos. Here's the article for anyone interested:
Jonathan Nolan is a terrible writer so when in doubt side with Chris Nolan...in fact l, never take any creative idea from John Nolan seriously.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:12 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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By default, it had to be Matt Damon. He started waiting before the black pilot, and continued waiting after the black pilot.
But time was longer for the black dude man. He waited for 23 years. And he was way cooler than Matt Damon about the wait.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:12 pm to RollTide1987
The best part of the "score" was when Matty M is driving away from the house as the clock ticks down..gave me chills.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:23 pm to SwaggerCopter
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But time was longer for the black dude man.
Matt Damon went through the same span of time because he was not under the influence of the black hole either. Matt Damon had been in space for 7 years when the crew of the Endurance blasted off from earth. It took the Endurance a further two years to get to the wormhole near to Saturn. So already Matt Damon has been off planet for 9 years. He would have also experienced the 23 years that went by while Cooper and Brand were on that water planet.
So Matt Damon had been waiting 32 years.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:09 pm to Champagne
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Thanks for linking the article.
Nothing in the film tells the audience that the wormhole is closed at the time that Cooper blasts off in order to rescue Astronaut Brand.
And yet, Nolan is clear about this. Does he realize that you are correct in that there's no way that Cooper has a chance to return alive without the wormhole?
You are correct in that Jonah Nolan's ending is that Cooper dies in space on the way to the rescue.
I'm not so sure if there is a clear ending. Did Christopher make it clear how his previous movies ended.
Spoilers (about inception bellow)
Was he in a dream (not clear, left open ended I think that was his point)
More spoilers (memento
I don't remember what the twist was at the end of this, but it was something along the lines of was he in control or were people in control of him. I don't remember.
Does anyone remember prestige and how he left that open it's been a while.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:11 pm to catholictigerfan
My whole point is that I think Christopher Nolan writes movies to purposefully leave them open. This one was different than the others because what you thinking about has no impact on the movie as a whole, for inception it did have a huge impact. My point is that I think Christopher Nolan left it open on purpose, this is how he writes. It's possible he would have made it, it's possible he wouldn't have made it. To say it must be one way kinda goes against How Christopher Nolan works. (I think)
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:12 pm to RollTide1987
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It was not in the movie though.
and only if I'm wrong about how Chris Nolan writes, it seems to go against his style of endings if there is a clear ending to it. Nolan writes to get you to think at the end of the movie, it is very clear he did that.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:13 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:I don't think so.
But time was longer for the black dude man.
quote:I think a day for the black pilot was the same as a day for Mann.
He waited for 23 years.
But all of this is irrelevant.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:14 pm to theunknownknight
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Jonathan Nolan is a terrible writer so when in doubt side with Chris Nolan...in fact l, never take any creative idea from John Nolan seriously.
It's a "disconnect" between what Jon Nolan said and what the audience infers from the movie.
The movie implies that Cooper is on his way back through the wormhole to rescue A. Brand.
In an interview, Jon Nolan, says that the wormhole is closed at this point in the story.
Problem is, when you are story-telling in a film, you are not supposed to mislead the audience unless you allow the audience to figure it out at the end.
So, the film Interstellar misleads the audience. Did Chris and Jon Nolan spend any time working out the film's ending? It's debatable at this point whether they did. The audience is free to write it's own ending, because Chris and Jon flubbed this one.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:16 pm to UnluckyTiger
quote:Not trying to be argumentative, but I was completely unmoved by that scene. Completely. All I heard/felt was some very, very loud - TBH, annoyingly loud - music.
The best part of the "score" was when Matty M is driving away from the house as the clock ticks down..gave me chills.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:19 pm to Patrick_Bateman
There's a link on Drudge to an article that comments on this new trend in films -- the background noise and music in the soundtrack are both so loud that it's distracting and the audience can't hear what the actors are saying.
I've noticed this trend on two TV shows: Blue Bloods and Hawaii Five 0.
Actors in TV and film tend to mumble and whisper their dialogue these days in an effort to create "verisimilitude".
. . . and they had the nerve to say that BRANDO mumbled. Compared to what we strain to hear today, Brando's elocution was like Laurence Olivier's.
Good stuff !
I've noticed this trend on two TV shows: Blue Bloods and Hawaii Five 0.
Actors in TV and film tend to mumble and whisper their dialogue these days in an effort to create "verisimilitude".
. . . and they had the nerve to say that BRANDO mumbled. Compared to what we strain to hear today, Brando's elocution was like Laurence Olivier's.
Good stuff !
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:20 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:I agree, you don't remember.
memento
I don't remember what the twist was at the end of this, but it was something along the lines of was he in control or were people in control of him. I don't remember.
There was no ambiguity or open-to-interpretation at the end of Memento or The Prestige.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:22 pm to Champagne
quote:Probably Ann Hornaday's WaPo review, which I read today. LINK
There's a link on Drudge to an article that comments on this new trend in films -- the background noise and music in the soundtrack are both so loud that it's distracting and the audience can't hear what the actors are saying.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:33 pm to catholictigerfan
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it seems to go against his style of endings if there is a clear ending to it. Nolan writes to get you to think at the end of the movie, it is very clear he did that.
The ending of the movie implies that Cooper uses the wormhole to rescue A. Brand. The movie says nothing to the audience about the wormhole being closed at that point in the story, but, filmwriter Jon Nolan says it is.
This isn't purposeful ambiguity, IMHO, it's some kind of error. I will have to wait for Chris to address the issue, because I don't see how Jon is correct -- AND HE WROTE THE FILM -- unless he's wrong about that, too.
It's a problem, not creative ambiguity, IMHO.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:35 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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Probably Ann Hornaday's WaPo review, which I read today
Yes, that's it.
I would not mind the trend if they put subtitles on screen so we can hear WTF they actors are mumbling.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:42 pm to catholictigerfan
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and only if I'm wrong about how Chris Nolan writes, it seems to go against his style of endings if there is a clear ending to it.
So there were no clear endings to Insomnia, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, or The Dark Knight Rises? Heck...I think his two artsy films (Following and Memento) had clear endings. Inception is really the only one that had a truly ambiguous ending.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:47 pm to RollTide1987
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The Dark Knight Rises
Was he alive at the end or did he blow up? Oooooooooooooh
Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:14 pm to Champagne
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Problem is, when you are story-telling in a film, you are not supposed to mislead the audience unless you allow the audience to figure it out at the end.
Honestly, my thoughts at the end was, "Well, I know she's on the other side of the wormhole, but the planet is still months from there and he's in a confined spaces that doesn't seem to have enough supplies to support him for the months that it would take for him to get there."
But what Jonathan is proposing is not only impossible, but certain death. I'd give them a break if somehow he packed enough supplies in that small shuttle to make it there, but it's completely impossible he did.
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