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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

Posted on 11/8/14 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 1:43 pm to
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He says why in the movie. People would have been selfish, thinking of themselves rather than of mankind.


Yep, Mann proved as much. Only he and Brand knew, and one of them snapped with the information.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:09 pm to
who waited longer?

Matt Damon waiting for 'rescue' on his planet, or the black pilot waiting for Anne Hathaway and McConeghey on the Water planet?


He had aged a good bit. I think it was 20+ years that passed.

Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:15 pm to
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who waited longer?


Matt Damon. He had already been gone for several years before the crew of the Endurance lifted off from earth.

Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:28 pm to
Matt was on the planet for let's say 9 years (assume it took them a year to get there). It should have still felt like he just got there just like the other planet right? On the other planet an hour was 23 years no?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:29 pm to
But why didn't it feel like he just got there like the other astronaut?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:36 pm to
So just read this interview with Jonah Nolan, and he claims that the wormhole shut when Cooper was thrust out of it after his adventure in Gargantua. Can't say this makes much sense , since I thought for sure Cooper was on his way back through the Wormhole to see Brand and that she sent off a signal that her planet could harbor human life. I really want double confirmation from Christopher if this is the case, since as far as I'm concerned, all Cooper did was ride off to his death. Assuming Brand is in the Andromeda Galaxy (our closest neighbor, and really one hell of a stretch regardless), if Cooper was somehow able to go the speed of light (which I highly doubt), it would take him at least 500,000 years to reach the outer edge of Andromeda. And if this is the case, I'm guessing Brand went and started Plan B, and there's another group of humans out there across the cosmos. Here's the article for anyone interested: LINK
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:37 pm to
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Matt Damon waiting for 'rescue' on his planet, or the black pilot waiting for Anne Hathaway and McConeghey on the Water planet?


Damon by default, since he left 10 years earlier, and wasn't affected by time dilation. Now he may not have been as conscious as long as the black pilot, but he was without question there longer.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:40 pm to
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But why didn't it feel like he just got there like the other astronaut?


Because the black pilot was up doing stuff. He didn't look 23 years older than when Cooper left him, and probably only aged around 10 or 12 years while they were gone. Damon realized the day he got there that this planet was uninhabitable, then sabotaged his monolith, sent out false data in order to get rescued, then went in hibernation mode until rescue came.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 2:54 pm to
Sorry I didn't mean the black pilot I meant the astronaut on the water planet. They made mention that even though she was there almost 10 years to her it was just like she had just gotten there.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:01 pm to
Yeah, in guessing Damon had a few weeks before coming to his hopeless and cowardly conclusion. The other person had only been there for like an hour, if that, and then she was killed by the waves. Our heroes got the huge wave right after that.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:06 pm to
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They made mention that even though she was there almost 10 years to her it was just like she had just gotten there.



Because she was very close to the influence of Gargantua, the black hole. Seven years on earth was only one hour for her due to the slowing down of time. She had literally been there for just over an hour when Cooper, Brand and Wes Bentley's character showed up.

Matt Damon's character was not under the influence of Gargantua at all and therefore time went by normally for him. He had been on the ice planet for at least 30 years.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

who waited longer?

Matt Damon waiting for 'rescue' on his planet, or the black pilot waiting for Anne Hathaway and McConeghey on the Water planet?
By default, it had to be Matt Damon. He started waiting before the black pilot, and continued waiting after the black pilot.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:10 pm to
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But why didn't it feel like he just got there like the other astronaut?
Water planet had a time shift. The movie made no mention of one on Mann's (Damon's) planet.

Unless I'm forgetting.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:12 pm to
Thanks
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:17 pm to
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all Cooper did was ride off to his death.


Thanks for linking the article.

Nothing in the film tells the audience that the wormhole is closed at the time that Cooper blasts off in order to rescue Astronaut Brand.

And yet, Nolan is clear about this. Does he realize that you are correct in that there's no way that Cooper has a chance to return alive without the wormhole?

You are correct in that Jonah Nolan's ending is that Cooper dies in space on the way to the rescue.
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 3:24 pm to
That may be what was intended, but it was not shown in the movie. Therefore it is just hearsay.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 4:17 pm to
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Therefore it is just hearsay.


It's "hearsay" direct from the mouth of one of two persons who wrote the film's story.

Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 4:27 pm to
I don't accept it.

He was traveling through the wormhole to be with Brand on the new human planet/colony. I'm plugging my ears to any other possibility.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 4:55 pm to
Same.

It isn't stated in the movie that the wormhole is now closed so what Nolan has to say about it might as well be expanded universe crap.

Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:05 pm to
OK, we will ignore the man who spent four years writing the film and write our own ending to suit ourselves.

No law against that. I like your ending better anyway.

This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 5:06 pm
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